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Brooklyn Bridge.

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Pensacola, FL
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    The Brookyn Bridge is an awkward reminder of how little society has progressed. In service 133 years and still standing, it has seen how very little progress has helped society. The country is polluted with crumbling dangerous bridges most of which are less than 40 years old. All progress has focused on eliminating economies in favor of cheaper, easier and faster channeling of money into private hoarding.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Not surprisingly, I strongly disagree.

    All you have to do is look west if you want to see states and local communities investing in state of the art infrastructure.

    Portland has built two brand new bridges in the past two years. One is the first ever bridge in the country that is used solely for mass transportation, cyclists, and pedestrians but not personal vehicles.

    We also built a new bridge in the deep SE part of the city which has brought about a massive building boom in that part of town. I have personally witnessed this boom since I live blocks away from the new bridge and can't walk more than a block without coming across a new house, apartment complex, or business being built.

    These new bridges have dramatically changed the way people get to and from downtown Portland while also giving rise to dozens of new restaurants and shops that have opened nearby.

    And Portland is not alone. Seattle is in a massive economic boom that makes what's going on in Portland look like child's play. They've been able to do so while also having the highest minimum wage in the country. San Francisco, Oakland, Los Angeles, and countless other west coast cities are experiencing the same growth.

    My point is that it's a bit of a stretch to claim that "all progress has focused on eliminating economies in favore of cheaper, easier and faster channeling of money into private hoarding."

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Pensacola, FL
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    Of course you disagree because you have missed the point. Are your new bridges still going to be serviceable 133 years from now?
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    Salt kills bridges and roads. Corrosive.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Portland, OR
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Of course you disagree because you have missed the point. Are your new bridges still going to be serviceable 133 years from now?

    They were built to withstand a massive 10.0 earthquake, so I would say so.

    And you seem to completely write off the other economic benefits that come along with new infrastructure being built. The only thing you seem to be focused on is the infrastructure itself and not the plethora of new businesses and residences that come along with that new infrastructure.

  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    Many are missing the real point that these facilities are outmoded for today's traffic not to mention no real basic matainence ever.

    Todays construction techniques and materials are so far removed from those of even fifty years ago there is no comparison.

    Or highways and bridges are falling apart and always under construction/repair not necessarily because of poor construction but because we refuse to move heavy freight by rail and instead allow the trucking lobby to pound them to death.

    It's a part of that famous "American exceptualism" I guess that's why the rest of the word isn't as exceptional. Americans love to do things in a "bigly" way just ask our new savior - Trumplestilsken.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    pr Wrote:

    Many are missing the real point that these facilities are outmoded for today's traffic not to mention no real basic matainence ever.

    Todays construction techniques and materials are so far removed from those of even fifty years ago there is no comparison.

    Or highways and bridges are falling apart and always under construction/repair not necessarily because of poor construction but because we refuse to move heavy freight by rail and instead allow the trucking lobby to pound them to death.

    It's a part of that famous "American exceptualism" I guess that's why the rest of the word isn't as exceptional. Americans love to do things in a "bigly" way just ask our new savior - Trumplestilsken.

    Since I come from an country which is much more advanced than the US, I can clearly see the difference. Down here it is the "conservative" rough way of doing things, just like an old Chevy which rusts away because of bad quality iron. Europe started galvanizing metal way before the US did. Bridges in Europe were built to last; even some Roman built bridges are still used today. Dutch engineers visited New Orleans to advise on "flood" prevention Sure they did not follow it up. As well nothing is done to fix the Missisipi river from flooding by heavy rain. Most taxi's in Amsterdam are Tesla's, not here. Clean energy windmills everywhere. They don't allow buildings to be built on the beach like in New Jersey and then get destroyed by the weather. Sorry to say "engineering" here is "at random"; every State has different idea's. Like here in Ft.Myers they built an bicycle path along an main traffic route which no one uses but spent millions on it. Just look on the travel channel and find the best and beautiful bridges in the Alpes, also the tunnels in southern Germany, Austria, Swiss; that is real engineering. Last but not least" the twin towers" which came down because of lousy construction; only a few non tested quality bolts held the floors. So I'm not impressed about the infrastructure here; where is my "high speed" TGV train???

    In Europe you can get anywhere with public transportation; how about here?, forget it.

  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Of course you disagree because you have missed the point. Are your new bridges still going to be serviceable 133 years from now?
    Why would anyone want a bridge to last 133 years? Everything in this world, including us, has a life expectancy. Time changes and structures built for the last century are not necessarily desirable in this century even if they are still in existence.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Pensacola, FL
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    Who would want a bridge to last 133 years ? How about the families of the people killed with the collapse of 30 and 40 year old structures ?

    The I-35W Mississippi River bridge was an eight-lane, steel truss arch ... hour on August 1, 2007, it suddenly collapsed, killing 13 people and injuring 145.

    ?I-35W Saint Anthony Falls Bridge was 40 years old.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch's post illustrates the point. The cost cutting, tax cutting, service cutting dominance of right wing conservancy has not served the country well. It is accepted thinking of a lot of people.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Dutch's post illustrates the point. The cost cutting, tax cutting, service cutting dominance of right wing conservancy has not served the country well. It is accepted thinking of a lot of people.

    I like to add: Every new house which is built in the Netherlands has solar panels on the roof; here sparingly. also "electric' bicycles are the trend now ; thus an cheap Tesla form of transportation. No school buses either, but "electric" very small school buses in only certain area's if it is too dangerous to go on your electric bike. etc. When I lived there all the trucks and buses ran already on LPG (Liquefied Natural Gas) and that was 30 Years ago!!!
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Who would want a bridge to last 133 years ? How about the families of the people killed with the collapse of 30 and 40 year old structures ?

    The I-35W Mississippi River bridge was an eight-lane, steel truss arch ... hour on August 1, 2007, it suddenly collapsed, killing 13 people and injuring 145.

    ?I-35W Saint Anthony Falls Bridge was 40 years old.

    Collapsed because of poor (or no) maintenance NOT age or quality of construction. The USA doesn't believe in spending money on upkeep unless, of course, it's a tank or submarine.
  • Center Left
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    10 reasons why bridges collapse

    science.howstuffworks.com/engineering/s...

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    T.J. sure, however nothing is mentioned related to this country, why it happens here more than elswhere. Mostly it has to do with our Government and its "budgets". Often "shortcuts" are being made or there is no budget for it. Thus it boils down to again "money"; especially related to proper maintenance. Also the quality of steel makes an huge difference ( ask Trump about his Chinese steel used in his buildings) especially the "fasteners" are often made of the wrong type of steel. Riveted structures are already stressed due to "heat" stress while riveting. etc etc. Corrosion on unprotected area's on cheap steel is often overlooked . Thus the same applies to cars or planes; if you start with the wrong "quality" and lousy maintenance then of course it won't last. Sorry honey it is always the "money"