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it ain't over till the fat lady sings

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    It ain't over till (or until) the fat lady sings is a colloquialism and has been classified as a proverb. It means that one should not presume to know the outcome of an event which is still in progress. More specifically, the phrase is used when a situation is (or appears to be) nearing its conclusion. It cautions against assuming that the current state of an event is irreversible and clearly determines how or when the event will end. The phrase is most commonly used in association with organized competitions, particularly sports.

    That phrase certainly applies to this year’s Presidential election.

    After Trump’s dismal debate performance against Hillary, and the release of the tape with Billy Bush, Daily Kos predicted Hillary’s chances of winning to be 92%, and Nate Silver’s prediction wasn’t much different.

    And then..

    11 days before the election, the FBI director with the Trump sign in his front yard sent out a memo that the FBI was investigating some Clinton emails that were found on Anthony Weiner’s server, but he chose to NOT release previous information about Trump’s connection to Russia since he did not want to run afoul of the Hatch Act. Mitch McConnell also knew of the Russian connection in October, but suppressed the information. Not surprisingly, his wife is now one of Trump’s cabinet picks.

    The pundits did not think Comey’s actions would make much difference, but we all woke up on the morning after the election to the dreadful news about the election results. This morning, Nate Silver said that if the election had been held the day before Comey’s memo, Hillary would have won easily.

    A few days after the election, Jill Stein filed for recounts in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. As of now, the recount has stalled in Michigan, and she also ran into some roadblocks in Pennsylvania.

    There is a possibility that a 1995 case in Pennsylvania may be relevant in this election, since fraud by a Democrat caused the election to be given to his Republican opponent.

    By now, it’s clear that Russian was very much involved in the election process, and Schmidt’s post of December 10, and the various responses, provide plenty of information about this topic, and an article in this morning’s New York Times goes even further:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/11/us/politics/cia-judgment-intelligence-russia-hacking-evidence.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=0

    As of this morning, a BIPARTISAN committee in Congress has indicated that they are going to investigate the link:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/12/donald-trump-loses-mitch-mcconnell-who-wants-to-dig-into-russian-hacking.html

    I’m still of the opinion that the Electoral College is the most likely method to prevent Trump from being able to take office, but I don’t rule out the possibility that we will see even more surprises before January. After all, it IS possible that an overweight, drug-addicted 70 year old man could certainly be a candidate for cardiac arrest in the early days of January.

    The final outcome will finally actually happen on January 20, and the fat lady can sing. Impeachment proceedings aren’t likely to happen until at least a week after the swearing in ceremony.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Yes an horrible story, I can't add much to that, except that the guy until now still gets everything he wants. As well all the GOP opponents, except a few, bow now to him. His elections of his cabinet shows exactly what he is doing. Appoint idiots to run "housing"( HUD), "environment"(EPA) etc. so those departments will fail , so he can get rid of those eventually and appoint "billionaires' and "generals" to boost his status as an dictator.
  • Center Left
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    That guy, your post was very good. Sadly noon has come and that may be nap time. Many good discussions hibernate after noon. I agree that it's been a crazy last 30 days. Where we go now is a huge question with no clear path. I very much hope that unexpected solutions are found as we are facing challenges like we have never seen before. Hopefully great ideas will come because the problems that lie ahead are huge.

  • Center Left
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    Crazy shit ! How much dishonesty and / inaccuracy resulted in the election that defied all logical prognostications ?

    bipartisanreport.com/2016/12/13/breakin...

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Tony, and you still think this is an "honest" country? But yeah we are now stuck with an "billionaire" lover. I even doubt if this guy has any money himself; he loaned billions all over the place and no one dares to research such. Sure an fantastic "honest" country for sure.

    Just an question; how is it possible that an GOP attorney can stop this? Should not the Supreme Court be involved or other whatever??? If it smells like an "corrupt something", then you just can't undo that via an GOP "corrupt" attorney. I wonder about this country and about the whole structure here. Certainly Obama should demand to get to the bottom of this.

    Will that happen, I doubt it.

  • Center Left
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    10,704 votes was Trumps margin of victory in Michigan.

    75,000 Detroit votes not allowed to be counted.

    Recount stopped by Republican Attorney General.

    The country is doing LITTLE TO NOTHING.

    (AG, local politics? They're the ones who can do things to help you.....)

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    I bet they ( GOP) will say all of this was "manufactured" news about the 75K votes; thus has to be negated. Beautiful; problem solved!!
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    Dear America...

    Tonight, we're ALL underneath a darkened sky.

    https://youtu.be/CriR2twxOLk

    WATCH and SHARE if you agree.
  • Center Left
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    5 hours and not one reply. Well I watched and enjoyed the YouTube video. I want to thank you for sharing it. Perhaps a dozen other members have no data capabilities or sore thumbs and fingers wherein they can't type an appropriate reply. Today there's much to be sad or disappointed about. Some local, some from afar.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    TJ Wrote:

    5 hours and not one reply. Well I watched and enjoyed the YouTube video. I want to thank you for sharing it. Perhaps a dozen other members have no data capabilities or sore thumbs and fingers wherein they can't type an appropriate reply. Today there's much to be sad or disappointed about. Some local, some from afar.

    TJ , my computer said don't open it; after your mail I did open it and of course, I fully understand. I guess the total disaster in Aleppo or the Indian Reservation in N. Dakota was not mentioned because that the You Tube clip was likely older than that. Looking at what is happening in Syria it is far worse than here anyway.

    Not that this has anything to do with the subject, but I respect Kerry more and more now he finally admits that our middle east policies are an disaster. The whole thing is that Obama really screwed up by not being active when the Russians started hacking, because he thought Hillary would win anyway. The same with Syria and the Russians which we don't seem to understand. Trump was already in "bed" with them and is rewarding them right now with his appointments which all favor Russia etc. Thus the end result will be that Europe will be flooded with refugee's and therefore weak and Assad and Iran will win in the middle east. Congratulations Obama, you failed not Hillary.

  • Center Left
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    I often wondered why Assad wasn't strategically removed. One man's well funded Rebel is another man's assassin. He is a Russian puppet like Trump. Previously valued for reasons that are no longer relevant.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Yes Tony, the problem here is that we did "nation" building always the wrong way, like in Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Afghanistan etc. Everywhere where we poked our noses in it became an mess. Thus places where we should have, where left by the wayside, like Assad. We were way to busy filling the "pockets" of Maliki and Karzai to notice the rest of the world.

    What is happening now can't be fixed, especially with an Trump in power, it will only get worse; remember my words.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Tony, why is it now "dead" quiet about what you said related to "75K votes misplaced in Michigan???

    Monday the Electoral College will get together and announce the winner ?" One guy belonging to this, got about 600 mails a day and even dead threats to change his vote. And you think this is still an normal "peaceful" country?