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Does the School System Encourage anti-Christianity?

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    Claim 1: The Bible is not taught in Public Schools....

    Truth: The Bible is often taught in Historical Context and things like the History of the Holy Land are giving more credibility then most Jewish Scholars to the Biblical Point of View!

    Claim 2: Evolution is a attack on Christianity...

    Truth: Is not teaching the world hangs from the Tree of Yggdrasil an attack on Norse Paganism? Evolution is simply the best theory we have for how the world came to be. There is bias in teaching plus often "teach the controversy" people refuse to understand the deferent aspects of belief and facts.

    Claim 3: History Classes have a Anti-Christian Bias?

    Truth: History Classes often Leave Out how many of our founders where anti-Christianity and as well other religions often portrayed as ignorant or less evolved?

  • Independent
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    I don't see what you want. I think schools are there to educate kids about all aspects of the REAL world we live in so they can learn to think and analyse themselves on how things work in this world as well their position in it. Of course have them learn rational thinking and preparation for job skills. Indoctrination either by church or the military should stay far away from it. Those institutions "block" the self thinking in humanity and makes them "followers" or "robots" Ask any ISIS fighter.

    Therefore your writing does not make any sense whatsoever.

  • Democrat
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    DavidTheWitch Wrote:

    Claim 1: The Bible is not taught in Public Schools....

    Truth: The Bible is often taught in Historical Context and things like the History of the Holy Land are giving more credibility then most Jewish Scholars to the Biblical Point of View!

    Claim 2: Evolution is a attack on Christianity...

    Truth: Is not teaching the world hangs from the Tree of Yggdrasil an attack on Norse Paganism? Evolution is simply the best theory we have for how the world came to be. There is bias in teaching plus often "teach the controversy" people refuse to understand the deferent aspects of belief and facts.

    Claim 3: History Classes have a Anti-Christian Bias?

    Truth: History Classes often Leave Out how many of our founders where anti-Christianity and as well other religions often portrayed as ignorant or less evolved?

    #1 I think there should be a course in religion in public schools but not limited to Christianity,how else can students learn about various other cultures and their forms of governing . #2 Evolution is not an attack on Christianity but just another theory of man and his place in this universe. #3 History is written mostly by the current establishment reflecting back on what they believe were the motives of the past civilization , hence ,they apply their own perspective on it. if there is a bias then it's the writers own showing thru his writing.
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    johnnycee Wrote:
    DavidTheWitch Wrote:

    Claim 1: The Bible is not taught in Public Schools....

    Truth: The Bible is often taught in Historical Context and things like the History of the Holy Land are giving more credibility then most Jewish Scholars to the Biblical Point of View!

    Claim 2: Evolution is a attack on Christianity...

    Truth: Is not teaching the world hangs from the Tree of Yggdrasil an attack on Norse Paganism? Evolution is simply the best theory we have for how the world came to be. There is bias in teaching plus often "teach the controversy" people refuse to understand the deferent aspects of belief and facts.

    Claim 3: History Classes have a Anti-Christian Bias?

    Truth: History Classes often Leave Out how many of our founders where anti-Christianity and as well other religions often portrayed as ignorant or less evolved?

    #1 I think there should be a course in religion in public schools but not limited to Christianity,how else can students learn about various other cultures and their forms of governing . #2 Evolution is not an attack on Christianity but just another theory of man and his place in this universe. #3 History is written mostly by the current establishment reflecting back on what they believe were the motives of the past civilization , hence ,they apply their own perspective on it. if there is a bias then it's the writers own showing thru his writing.
    J.C. No there should be no course about religion in any school; you don't need that in your daily life. If the parents want the kid to become religious that is then their choice, but it should not be the schools who determine such with our tax money.
  • Democrat
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    Religious courses should be taught not as an exercise in religious theory but to show how religion influences both daily living and governing,also it should not be mandatory but as an elective. If as you sometimes theorize that religion is the root cause of so much evil in the world. Wouldn't it be better to have our children know the path that Religion can take them and then they can be better prepared to resist that movement.
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    johnnycee Wrote: Religious courses should be taught not as an exercise in religious theory but to show how religion influences both daily living and governing,also it should not be mandatory but as an elective. If as you sometimes theorize that religion is the root cause of so much evil in the world. Wouldn't it be better to have our children know the path that Religion can take them and then they can be better prepared to resist that movement.
    No J.C. I argued that many times; religion is only an "tool" to influence people with pure nonsense without proof just to making dying easier. They are acting as parasites on this fantasy. Sorry there is not any proof that anything up there controls any life on this planet. So let's concentrate on schools that they learn on how the world is an self sustaining entity and people/all living things have an life cycle which just goes on and on, or may end as the dinosaurs did, if we keep polluting our environment. Nothing controls us, except ourselves. Thus I repeat, parents should be allowed to teach their children whatever they want, but the schools should only teach things which are needed in life on this earth. "Fantasy" or "indoctrination" never should be part of the curriculum at schools.
  • Democrat
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    It seems that you are concentrating on religion being taught as a life style while I am speaking of looking at how religion can sometimes influence the governing bodies, and then have some critical thinking as to whether or not religion needs to be a part of our every day living and if so ,how?
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    I have no problem with comparative religion. We know that religion influences people. Whether they believe and act based upon those beliefs or don't belief and act in response to dis- or unbelief. Man is hardwired to seek reasons for existence as a whole. Thus religion or other belief structures.

    what is unacceptable is teaching a superior position for Christianity or any other religion. Not because they have equal validity or don't but because it has no place in education. If your particular religious path preaches that you are free to believe it. You are not free to proselytize in schools or enshrine it into the law of the state.

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    lonely bird Wrote:

    I have no problem with comparative religion. We know that religion influences people. Whether they believe and act based upon those beliefs or don't belief and act in response to dis- or unbelief. Man is hardwired to seek reasons for existence as a whole. Thus religion or other belief structures.

    what is unacceptable is teaching a superior position for Christianity or any other religion. Not because they have equal validity or don't but because it has no place in education. If your particular religious path preaches that you are free to believe it. You are not free to proselytize in schools or enshrine it into the law of the state.

    Lonely you are correct; the other factor is who at any school would teach such anyway? Some teachers will for sure go overboard and "indoctrinate" or be fanatic in their own beliefs; some teachers may be Jewish, Muslim, Buddist, Atheists etc. so are we going to "screen" those teachers about what they are allowed to say to the kids?. No that does not work. Thus refrain from teaching religion at schools; it will only create confusion; ask the "talking" snake etc.
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    lonely bird Wrote:

    I have no problem with comparative religion. We know that religion influences people. Whether they believe and act based upon those beliefs or don't belief and act in response to dis- or unbelief. Man is hardwired to seek reasons for existence as a whole. Thus religion or other belief structures.

    what is unacceptable is teaching a superior position for Christianity or any other religion. Not because they have equal validity or don't but because it has no place in education. If your particular religious path preaches that you are free to believe it. You are not free to proselytize in schools or enshrine it into the law of the state.

    If you go to a public institution of learning then of course the course would be / should be comparative, there are many other religious schools that can teach/preach their own philosophy or theory but definitely not a public school.
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    In theory an introduction to religious ideas and the society that accompanies them is a great idea. IT WILL NEVER WORK ! Reason is people get crazy when religious topics are discussed. 90 % want to sell you on how they have the "Facts" and how they will save your future if you'll just listen to their Devine message.

    Such classes would end up with 30 seconds each on 4 other choices then the hard sell on Christianity. Perhaps in college it could work but if any earlier, I would be skeptical at best.

    Thus the phrase: Separation of church and state.

  • Democrat
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    If religion is not discussed in a secular setting then the discussion will always lean towards the speakers idea of what is true, the students then will be forced to learn from mostly uninformed sources, this why I said that it not be mandatory but an elective
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    Thomas Jefferson gave to his nephew Peter Carr in 1787 this advice, "question with boldness even the existence of a god: because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." What we have rearing it's ugly head is the religious leaders grab for power. Institutionalized religion has churches, decently to over paid clerical staffs, millions of dollars in real estate (e.g. churches, retirement homes, schools,...etc.) so now they are re-entering the political arena which will once again close the gap that separates "church" and "state". This was an argument that was adjudicated and disposed of centuries ago. Thomans Jefferson said, "Only reason and free enquiry are the effectual agents against error" according to the Monticello Research Report, by Rebecca Bowman (August 1997). This didn't mean that Jefferson was agnostic or an Atheist, on the contrary he did believe that there was a God but he was opposed to religion and there is a difference. He fought for the separation of church and state. In Query XVII of Notes on the State of Virginia, this fight led to the "Statute of Virginia for Religious Freedom." The emphasis on faith and the more or less belief that you are in communication with God on a daily basis, he would reject. Blind faith is is a blind fold that doesn't allow the eyes of reason to to see things for what they are. The plea of the politician seeking a voting block and the zeal at which the clergy of some disciplines use this belief to force impose their beliefs on contemporary social issues (e.g. abortion) clearly abrogates the freedom of your fellow man's freedom to disagree and choose to act in matters concerning their individual liberties, in a manner that is their choosing. One's freedom ends where another persons' freedom begins.
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    Well said! Let's never forget "faith" means a firm belief in something for which there is no proof .

    merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faith

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    pr Wrote:

    Well said! Let's never forget "faith" means a firm belief in something for which there is no proof .

    merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faith

    But as Priebus said Trump was appointed by "god" ( which one?) Thus does anyone believe that??? I don't!!