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Sure enough an "new" 747 Airforce "one" has been ordered


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  • Dutch
    2016-12-06 10:28:49 AM
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    Wow, let the money roll; Trump has got his "little" fingers into it until his elbows. This is not going to be an "cheapy" toy. Especially if he sticks his nose into it; of course has to be "gold" plated. He has already created an fight with Boeing over this as well the production time, what of course does not suit him. Don't forget this is not an "normal" production plane but has all the "military" protection built in, including defense against incoming missiles etc. Since he still thinks he can manage everything himself, he won't let the department of defense do that, but he will certainly "micro" manage that project. Furthermore he plays the "game" and stating that the "price" is way too expensive; so likely Boeing may reduce the price or give other incentives, so he can then say "see what I've done" to reduce/protect our government cost. While still spending billions by wanting all his "goodies" into it. What an total joke, but the "deplorables" will applaud this and don't realize that the are being screwed; we don't need an new 747. ( the use of this aircraft is "low" mileage, compared to airline use/abuse; thus lasts longer)

    Anyway "deplorables" this is what you elected; another "X" billion down the drain, which will have to come out of your social security. Congratulations.

  • Chet Ruminski
    2016-12-06 02:19:47 PM
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    Dutch, Arent there B52s over 40 years old still fully operational in service?
  • Chet Ruminski
    2016-12-06 02:22:58 PM
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    "but the "deplorables" will applaud this"

    And that is the danger with Trump.

  • Dutch
    2016-12-06 02:31:21 PM
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    Right now it is obvious the guy has no idea at all on how to govern. He dives in everything he gets hold off. Talks to the Egyptian President and calls him an fantastic leader. Then talks to Japan for an 50 billion loan to create jobs here. Then jumps on Boeing and so on, on and on. Then tweets about China etc etc.The guy is so bloody chaotic, it looks like an kid in an candy shop. How on earth could this country be that stupid to elect an total naive self loving idiot.
  • TJ
    2016-12-06 04:57:36 PM
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    The tantrum and bitching seem to be very premature. These planes are still being designed. Estimated delivery of 2021. Hopefully to be used by a Democrat.

  • Dutch
    2016-12-07 08:49:41 AM
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    Tony, Trump uses this for to get "credits" for himself; nothing else; an contract is an contract; if changes have to be made then of course you get "attachments" and "revisions" ; changes wanted during the "built" will be in the form of Service Bulletins if not on the drawings. Knowing our government, plenty of changes will be made because of the technology as well military gadgets keep improving. The biggest problem is the 747 itself because is is an very old design airframe; for instance changing the wire bundles/routing etc. You may as well buy an "new" design airframe with "secured" wireless systems which like you say to an 2021 standard, but cost millions more if you stick to the old design. An typical example is the F35 contract price $200 million; delivery price $400 million and still has lots of problems which have to be fixed at an additional cost. Of course if Trump wants his "goodies" in this plane ( if he makes it to an second term) then the price will skyrocket.
  • Schmidt
    2016-12-07 04:13:21 PM
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    Politico: Trump: Cancel Boeing’s Air Force One contract

    Just to be clear, as Boing stated after Trump's charge:

    "We are currently under contract for $170 million to help determine the capabilities of these complex military aircraft that serve the unique requirements of the President of the United States. "We look forward to working with the U.S. Air Force on subsequent phases of the program allowing us to deliver the best planes for the president at the best value for the American taxpayer."

    Politico reports: "The Pentagon announced the deal with Boeing last January, awarding an initial contract worth nearly $26 million for initial research for the new planes, according to Reuters. The Defense Department awarded an additional $127.3 million contract in July to develop interior, power and electronic specifications for the next-generation aircraft, according to FlightGlobal, a publication that covers the aviation industry.

    "The Air Force said previously that it had earmarked $1.65 billion for two new presidential aircraft, which will be four-engine Boeing 747-8s. The source of Trump's $4 billion cost estimate for the program was not immediately clear, although a Government Accountability Office report from last March priced it at roughly $3.2 billion."

    This is nothing more than grandstanding by Trump and the media have followed his lead. There is no $4 billion contract, there is no $1.65 billion contract...only two Boing contracts worth $170 million to do design research into building two custom made airliners to the Air Force's specifications. We don't know how much these two planes will cost. The $4 billion probably includes maintenance over the lives of the planes.

    Who knows what the hell he is thinking. Maybe he'll cancel the $170 million contract and open up bidding to international companies like Airbus or Russia's United Aircraft Corporation. I'm sure Russia will be glad to build the two aircraft much cheaper. That's the businessman's approach.

    Maybe that's what this is all about.


  • jaredsxtn
    2016-12-07 04:40:33 PM
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    Schmidt Wrote: This is nothing more than grandstanding by Trump and the media have followed his lead. There is no $4 billion contract, there is no $1.65 billion contract...only two Boing contracts worth $170 million to do design research into building two custom made airliners to the Air Force's specifications. We don't know how much these two planes will cost. The $4 billion probably includes maintenance over the lives of the planes.

    This is one of the things I'm most worried about throughout these next four years. Trump says something outlandish; the media reports on it without actually digging in to whether it's true or not; and then we find out the truth long past the time anyone is paying attention anymore.

    We already know that Trump's supporters believe him over the media regardless if it's factual or not. That's a dangerous thing come January when his words will have real world consequences.

  • Dutch
    2016-12-07 05:08:12 PM
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    Yes Schmidt as most of the time you wrote an good piece; if he would use your writing to make an judgement then he would likely not make such stupid remarks. I guess an Airbus 380 would suit him better; it at least gives more room for his huge family, and all the generals and billionaires he selected, ha ha.
  • Schmidt
    2016-12-07 06:31:35 PM
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    He won't need space for reporters because thus far he has not let them accompany him on his Trump jet. I would guess he will do the same on Air Force One.
  • TJ
    2016-12-08 09:46:57 AM
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    According to this story, Trumps tantrum caused Boeing's stock value to drop by 1.5 billion dollars. Frankenstein has left the building.

    liberalsociety.com/this-idiotic-trump-t...

  • Dutch
    2016-12-08 11:17:04 AM
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    TJ Wrote:

    According to this story, Trumps tantrum caused Boeing's stock value to drop by 1.5 billion dollars. Frankenstein has left the building.

    liberalsociety.com/this-idiotic-trump-t...

    Yes, but the people here wanted this guy; let the "fun" continue; the "deplorables" still love him to "death"
  • Dutch
    2016-12-10 08:57:31 AM
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    In the meantime the Boeing stock went back to its previous level ; thus my guess is Trump just shot from the hip as usual.

    Just wait he will continue on this crazy path and no one stops him. What an country of scary weasels.

  • Dutch
    2016-12-12 08:38:49 AM
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    Just announced today Boeing sealed the deal with Iran for 80 planes as well spares and spare engines. An "x" billion deal.

    But yeah Trump wants to get rid of the "nuclear" agreement; so I guess he has to backtrack on that or get into an huge fight with Boeing. Anyway Trump will be on the loosing end of the stick.

  • Schmidt
    2016-12-12 09:56:43 AM
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    Yes Dutch. Boing is upping the anti. Will Trump fold?

    NBC News: Boeing, Iran Air Clinch $16 Billion Deal for 80 Planes

    The deal is for delivering 50 Boeing 737s and 30 Boeing 777s over the next decade and is the biggest agreement to be struck with an American company since the 1979 revolution and U.S. Embassy takeover.

    Boeing said the deal will support tens of thousands of U.S. jobs directly associated with production and delivery of the 777s and nearly 100,000 U.S. jobs overall. The first airplanes under this agreement are scheduled for delivery in 2018.

    Republicans and Trump can certainly scuttle the deal...killing some 100,000 jobs. Will they? Trump has targeted Boing in an ignorant and misinformed Tweet about the cost of Air Force One...retaliation for Boing questioning his proposed trades policies and tariffs. Boing is pushing back now with a sealed contract that will employ American workers...real good paying manufacturing jobs in US plants.

    I'll put my money on Boing.

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