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Iran deal

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  • Independent
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    On 30 December the sanctions on Iran expire, unless Obama extends them before that time. Iran already warned the US that the whole agreement will be in danger if the US extend those. Of course if Trump opens his big mouth then of course things may escalate in the wrong direction; so we'll wait and see if Obama still has the guts to go in against Trumps idea's.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    It's true that President Obama has the authority to let the sanctions expire, but the next Congress and President can put them back into place in a matter of days. It doesn't have much of anything to do about Obama's "guts" at all.

    I'm in no way advocating that idea and want nothing more than to have peaceful relations with Iran, but the President gets to conduct foreign relations and the next President will get to choose how he wants to proceed with Iran.

    Once again - elections have consequences.

  • Independent
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    Jared, I have never seen in any country that an incoming President has any say in anything while the present President is still in power. It looks right now like Trump has already taken over. Obama is dead quiet. Trump is calling/tweeting all over the place as an total idiot. Obama should tell him to shut up and enforce that he's still the one who only can make those calls or inform the public. What an strange country; sorry we owe China trillions; thus have some clue of respect for the one's you are in debt with. By the way China is an bit bigger and more powerful than the US. Sorry, Trump you no longer can dictate the world even if you are President. The world is not your building contractor who you can fire. Your "ego" will create WWIII.
  • Center Left
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    Our ex president (yes I realize he's still being paid) has zero interest in doing anything. Otherwise he would have addressed the FBI collusion. He's like that guy retiring in _____ days. I would think a strong man with authority could accomplish more. That damned book isn't going to write itself !
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: Jared, I have never seen in any country that an incoming President has any say in anything while the present President is still in power. It looks right now like Trump has already taken over. Obama is dead quiet. Trump is calling/tweeting all over the place as an total idiot. Obama should tell him to shut up and enforce that he's still the one who only can make those calls or inform the public.

    As I said earlier - Obama can waive the sanctions and he very well may, but Trump and the next Congress can also reinstate them mere days later.

    Obama is dead quiet because he's a real statesman and doesn't feel the need to Tweet everything that pops into his head.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    TJ Wrote: Our ex president (yes I realize he's still being paid) has zero interest in doing anything. Otherwise he would have addressed the FBI collusion. He's like that guy retiring in _____ days. I would think a strong man with authority could accomplish more. That damned book isn't going to write itself !

    I think you're being a bit too harsh on the President.

    President Obama is someone who thinks about the law of unintended consequences. Imagine what could happen if the President of the United States questioned the validity of the election that chose his replacement. That is a recipe for political and social turmoil unlike we've seen since the election of Lincoln in 1860.

    The Presidency is bigger than one person and President Obama understands that.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "Obama is dead quiet because he's a real statesman"

    He is looking to preserve his legacy. Trump won't be guided or concerned about his legacy. He is about immediate gratification and TRUMP.

  • Independent
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    Jared, I guess you did not get it; I mentioned that Obama is still President, he can order that Trump should refrain from contacting foreign leaders until he's out of office; that is the task of an sitting President. In Europe they would not dare, but here an transfer is total chaos. It is totally ridiculous that Trump thinks he is already in power; he is not.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: Jared, I guess you did not get it; I mentioned that Obama is still President, he can order that Trump should refrain from contacting foreign leaders until he's out of office; that is the task of an sitting President. In Europe they would not dare, but here an transfer is total chaos. It is totally ridiculous that Trump thinks he is already in power; he is not.

    The President isn't a king. He can't order who someone can or can't talk to.

    And, as I've said a million (or more) times - the United States is a different type of democracy than that of the European countries. The reason "Europe does not dare" is because there's not a three month time frame between the outgoing Prime Minister leaving and the new one assuming power. It just happens when it happens.

  • Independent
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Jared, I guess you did not get it; I mentioned that Obama is still President, he can order that Trump should refrain from contacting foreign leaders until he's out of office; that is the task of an sitting President. In Europe they would not dare, but here an transfer is total chaos. It is totally ridiculous that Trump thinks he is already in power; he is not.

    The President isn't a king. He can't order who someone can or can't talk to.

    And, as I've said a million (or more) times - the United States is a different type of democracy than that of the European countries. The reason "Europe does not dare" is because there's not a three month time frame between the outgoing Prime Minister leaving and the new one assuming power. It just happens when it happens.

    OK, Jared, in other words you approve all of Trump's actions overruling Obama. How come you keep defending this crazy country and its chaos in this transition let alone the crazy election system. Congratulations you've still not learned anything at all.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: OK, Jared, in other words you approve all of Trump's actions overruling Obama. How come you keep defending this crazy country and its chaos in this transition let alone the crazy election system. Congratulations you've still not learned anything at all.

    Seriously Dutch. Get a grip. You let your irrational anger on any number of issues prevent you from being able to engage in a cordial discussion on pretty much any topic.

    How in the world can you jump to the conclusion that I approve of anything Trump is doing? All I said is that the President is not a king. He can't just decree that no one else can talk to world leaders.

    Do you understand that? Do you understand that President Obama can't just order Trump to not have discussion with a world leader until he is sworn in?

    That's all I was pointing out to you, but you somehow interpret that as me approving of everything Trump ever says or does.

  • Independent
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    Jared, again sure he can demand that; it interferes with his governing. Would you accept such if you had an job and someone else undermines you? I don't think so. Thus what is wrong with this picture? I guess an country who makes "rules" for its people, but "rules" don't seem to apply if you change White House occupancy. Then it becomes an total mess; like no tax returns, no detailed "vetting" of the incoming person, no checking of qualifications or mental stability. If you support all of this then I'm shaking my head, because then any mental patient can become president. I hope you see what I mean; I've got nothing against you, but only against pure stupidity which reigns in this country, as I said so many times. I like to remind you how often I said that the choice of Hillary was not optimal because of this and that; I guess I was 100% correct. Thus next time think about what I write instead of attacking it.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: Jared, again sure he can demand that; it interferes with his governing.
    No. He. Can't.

    The facts won't change no matter how much you insist to the contrary. That's what so awesome about facts.

    Dutch Wrote: Would you accept such if you had an job and someone else undermines you? I don't think so.

    People are undermined in the workplace millions of times a day, but that has nothing to do with the current conversation. You said Obama should order Trump to stop talking to other world leaders. I explained that he doesn't have that power and I wouldn't want any person to have that power because I actually value freedom of speech regardless if I agree with the speech or not.

    Dutch Wrote: I guess an country who makes "rules" for its people, but "rules" don't seem to apply if you change White House occupancy. Then it becomes an total mess; like no tax returns, no detailed "vetting" of the incoming person, no checking of qualifications or mental stability. If you support all of this then I'm shaking my head, because then any mental patient can become president. I hope you see what I mean; I've got nothing against you, but only against pure stupidity which reigns in this country, as I said so many times. I like to remind you how often I said that the choice of Hillary was not optimal because of this and that; I guess I was 100% correct. Thus next time think about what I write instead of attacking it.

    Is it physically impossible for you to stay on a topic without going into a diatribe against this country, myself, or anyone else who dares to disagree with you?

  • Liberal Democrat
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    To clarify any misconceptions. The UN sanctions on Iran (the so called nuclear deal) have already been lifted. What we are discussing is a separate list of US sanctions imposed on Iran by the Iran Sanctions Act of 1996 and other later orders that seek to punish Iran for being a state sponsor of terrorism. Israel is one of the driving forces in Congress to continue sanctions beyond the December 31st sunset date of the Iran Sanctions Act.

    So while all UN sanctions have been lifted, many of the US sanctions have not...at least not until the end of the month. It is likely that Congress will follow Netanyahu's demands that sanctions will be extended. Without Obama impeding progress, Netanyahu will get what he wants...and maybe even more.