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Democratic party not reaching voters

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  • Center Left
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    Jared says something about all politics are local. I admit I don't understand that. I believe what many have suggested which is that our party is not in touch with understanding what is important to voters. A valley that must be crossed for the party to succeed and advance.

    This article suggests we were navigating without guidance in the recent election. Please read and share thoughts or ideas. I think we need many ideas.

    rollcall.com/news/politics/rural-democr...

  • Liberal Democrat
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    TJ -- Yes it's a good article on one facet of why the Democrats do poorly in rural America, and especially candidates running for federal offices. However, what the article doesn't cover is that Republicans likewise do not care about rural America either...otherwise their downward plight would have improved under Republican presidents like Reagan and the two Bushes. So neither party has been able to improve their specific economic situations, which have more to do with globalization, automation, depleted natural resources, education, and job retraining. Republicans have been better at exploiting rural America with cultural (e.g. guns), social and religious issues, but really do not give a shit about their economic well being.

    President Obama tried to make inroads into rural America by expanding broadband into every home. He was blocked on that initiative as well as many of his infrastructure proposals, education and job retraining initiatives. My cynical view is that Republicans in Washington view an America educated on the political and economic issues of the day as a threat to their ability to manipulate that particular demographic for their own economic gain. That's why they are so opposed to public education or any other programs that might help their economic well being.

    Republicans win on messaging...creating false perceptions, but are never held accountable for their failures to deliver, nor the fact that they have also sabotaged President Obama's efforts to improve their ability to climb the ladder of success.

    President elect Trump cannot deliver on his promises to rural and small town America...but he is already creating false perceptions with his Carrier deal.

  • Independent
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    Yes Tony and Schmidt; indeed as I said way before sitting on an high horse does not cut it. Even here in FL I did not see any visit of Hillary in Ft.Myers or Naples, while Trump was here twice. And this is not even rural.

    But anyway we can talk about this forever, but to my feeling the DNC needs an total overhaul. This campaign was an disaster which ever way you look at it. Wrong candidate, wrong message, media not on your side, traitors in the FBI etc. Russia who helped the idiot, etc etc. Everything what could have gone wrong, indeed did go wrong. Amen

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    TJ Wrote: Jared says something about all politics are local. I admit I don't understand that. I believe what many have suggested which is that our party is not in touch with understanding what is important to voters. A valley that must be crossed for the party to succeed and advance.

    What I mean by all politics is local (which I should stress is not my quote, but that of former House Speaker Tip O'Neill) is that the politicians who most effect our lives on a daily basis are those who work in our local, county, and state governments. These local, county, and state officials are the ones who pass the vast majority of legislation that will directly effect the "average Joe."

    By contrast, the Federal Government deals with things on the national scale, some of which will trickle down to the state and local level and others that you will very likely not notice at all. I'm not saying the Federal Government isn't important because it very much is, especially when it comes to civil and human rights, wars and conflicts, and international relations.


    I also find it imperative to remind anyone who says otherwise that Democrats won the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes. Democratic Senate candidates won millions more votes than their Republican counterparts, but still "lost" the Senate. I'm not saying we don't need to reach out to rural voters, but I just have a hard time capitulating to a minority of people because our system of government gives them an out sized role in determining the outcomes of elections.

    TJ Wrote: This article suggests we were navigating without guidance in the recent election. Please read and share thoughts or ideas. I think we need many ideas.

    rollcall.com/news/politics/rural-democr...

    My thoughts are similar to Schmidt's. We have reached out to rural voters, but they want to have their cake and be able to eat it too. And I agree that Republicans want to keep that segment of the population poor and angry because it has worked for them party for decades. Ill-informed and angry voters flock to one party and one party only.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    This was not a race plotted to win by a small margin. Nobody plans to win by a small margin. This was a race that should have been won by a 50% margin. The Democratic Party lost it because of elitism, obstanance and denial. Trump ran on what should have been the Democratic Platform, jobs and prosperity. No excuse for that. Democratic Party leaders take notice "Jobs and Prosperity". This country should have no poverty. It should be prosperous at all levels. There is no great sea of unfulfilled high paying jobs. What you have is non-union tactics of advertising for more applicants to improve performance and cut costs culling out workers. And if you argue against that you are arguing against what should be the Democratic Party, working for the workers. Everybody else will take care of themselves.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    TJ Wrote: Jared says something about all politics are local. I admit I don't understand that. I believe what many have suggested which is that our party is not in touch with understanattributable important to voters. A valley that must be crossed for the party to their ed and advance.

    What I mean by all politics is local (which I should stress is not my quote, but that of former House Speaker Tip O'Neill) is that the Iommpoliticians who most effect our lives on a daily basis are those who work in our local, county, and state governments. These local, county, and state officials are the ones who pass the vast majority of legislation that will directly effect the "average Joe."

    By contrast, the Federal Government deals with things on the national scale, some of which will trickle down to the state and local level and others that you will very likely not notice at all. I'm not saying the Federal Government isn't important because it very much is, especially when it comes to civil and human rights, wars and conflicts, and international relations.


    I also find it imperative to remind anyone who says otherwise that Democrats won the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes. Democratic Senate candidates won millions more votes than their Republican counterparts, but still "lost" the Senate. I'm not saying we don't need to reach out to rural voters, but I just have a hard time capitulating to a minority of people because our system of government gives them an out sized role in determining the outcomes of elections.

    TJ Wrote: This article suggests we were navigating without guidance in the recent election. Please read and share thoughts or ideas. I think we need many ideas.

    rollcall.com/news/politics/rural-democr...

    My thoughts are similar to Schmidt's. We have reached out to rural voters, but they want to have their cake and be able to eat it too. And I agree that Republicans want to keep that segment of the population poor and angry because it has worked for them party for decades. Ill-informed and angry voters flock to one party and one party only.

    jaredsxtn and Schmidt, You guys are technically correct with the points and observations you are making. The only trouble is there is an undercurrent of opposition to being correct. A lot of that is attributable to 30 plus years of rightwing propaganda telling people they control their own destiny, making decisions and knowing what is best for themselves. All that does is create disorder and helps prevent people from organising for a common good.
  • Center Left
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    Chet, above you used the term non-union tactics. That "union" train has left the station. We can't keep most jobs so organizations promoting higher wages are highlighting the reasons of why to leave.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    TJ Wrote: Chet, above you used the term non-union tactics. That "union" train has left the station. We can't keep most jobs so organizations promoting higher wages are highlighting the reasons of why to leave.

    Unions and unionism is dead for all but growing developing economies. The advertising of and talking about unfulfilled jobs in a full employment economy is a way to replace workers with more productive workers. Companies and businesses can only succeed through cost cutting and efficiency. Unions can only gain acceptance in growing conditions. I am a union person, worked as an elected officer in very radical conditions. 100% pro union but I am also an objective realist. There are people in unions just like dedicated Hillary supporters. If you present them with negative but true information you then become the opposition. They will be obstinate ensuring failure and speeding up the collapse. A union is no different than an agent for a performer. Capitalize on assets. Nothing to offer or no money available are the limiting parameters. Denying either one causes fatal problems.

  • Center Left
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    Interesting story about discontent and a person from coal country.

    liberalamerica.org/2016/12/13/brutal-ps...

  • Liberal
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    Pretty much sums up how the Dems gave away the election by not choosing to make all of the middle class believe in their message.

    There is a reason Trumplstilkin (and repubs} like "dumb" voters because they accept whatever nonsense they throw out at them as long as it makes them feel better the the other guy.

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  • Independent
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    pr Wrote:

    Pretty much sums up how the Dems gave away the election by not choosing to make all of the middle class believe in their message.

    There is a reason Trumplstilkin (and repubs} like "dumb" voters because they accept whatever nonsense they throw out at them as long as it makes them feel better the the other guy.

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    May be this sounds crazy and undemocratic, but the only way it will work is that only people with at least high school can vote. Wow. But yeah with an system of the Electoral College, then at present the "educated" will keep "loosing" against the uneducated, which is here at least close to 50%. It is time that people here realize that people in the rust/coal/bible belts never will make any headway, as long as they stick in their ways. Living in area's where there is no work or industry or "real"education, then there is no solution, except an "handout"; the GOP realizes such and indeed does focus on their stupidity and exploit such.

    Indeed if you look at everything Trump is doing and said, then you must be really "superior" stupid to fall for all of that.