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Recount in WI, MI, and PA?

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    The computer scientists urging Clinton to push for a recount are doing so because they believe electronic voting machines could be hacked, and they have observed that Clinton did worse in counties in Wisconsin with electronic voting machines. They are not saying there was a hacking, but that the discrepancy merits a recount.

    Nate Silver's 538 says all of this can be controlled for by demographics at the county level. While they too see "statistically significant" discrepancies in Texas and Wisconsin with respect to electronic voting machines, different candidates benefit: Clinton does better in Texas, while Trump does so in Wisconsin.

    fivethirtyeight.com/features/demographi...

    Greg Palast's concerns run deeper than the voting machines and into the totality of voter suppression efforts. You don't need to hack machines when you can simply suppress the Democratic vote.

    fivethirtyeight.com/features/demographi...

    gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/

    That voters with the same first and last names are forced to vote a provisional ballot because they were flagged using the Interstate Crosscheck list without consideration of middle names is beyond belief. And it's simply not clear what happens to these provisional ballots once cast. Voters have no way of knowing if their vote actually counted.

    Green Party candidate Jill Stein has raised $2 million for a recount fund and is planning on formally requesting recounts in WI, MI, and PA.

    buzzfeed.com/claudiakoerner/jill-stein-...

    Democratic leadership and the Hillary campaign are largely in the wind and absent from public commentary on recount efforts. Wide variety of media reporting and speculation basically assumes the Clinton campaign is trapped by its previous criticism of Trump to accept the election results, while the White House is apparently not interested in disrupting the transition.

    theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/23/jil...

    Overturning the standing election results would result in extensive litigation and the institutional bias is to move forward with the declared winner on election night, not auditing to make sure every eligible or ineligible vote was counted appropriately.

    Democrats need an army of lawyers right now fighting for every vote and that's not happening, nor is it going to happen. Instead, the so-called "spoiler" candidate has stepped forward to press the button on the clock ticking for those with standing to request a recount. In full disclosure, I live in Texas and voted Stein believing her to be a safe protest vote. I would have voted for Clinton had I lived in WI, MI, or PA, or any other swing state.

  • Independent
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    I also read that the "gap" in the Popular Votes has widened to 2 million. Thus the "Electoral College" system got us the "devil". In any other country there would have been an revolution with that wide an "gap" But yeah this country loves stupidity and accept it day in and day out.
  • Center Left
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    In Ohio there is a company who manufactures electronic voting machines and atm's for banks. Diebold. Their company leader was a very conservative (R) man. He was politically active and his profession, power and money were a dangerous combination. I have never liked the process being not 100 % accountable. Maybe it was all rigged. Follow the money.
  • Independent
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    Regardless of any recount, nothing will be done to change the outcome, neither will Trump step aside; thus all of these things don't matter. The only effect will be that we only sink further into the swamp. Amen
  • Center Left
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    Depends how much Dems fight and complain. If robbed by a conman you could do nothing or you could stand your ground. Let us see if there's any leadership left. I think all should be outraged and intolerant.
  • Independent
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    TJ Wrote: Depends how much Dems fight and complain. If robbed by a conman you could do nothing or you could stand your ground. Let us see if there's any leadership left. I think all should be outraged and intolerant.

    Yes Tony; however Stein is working on it not Clinton as far as I know.

    Also I think some of the fraud is impossible to trace; like the mail-in ballots; they could have all of them shredded etc., because you never get any notice of receipt or if they were processed; even the mailman could have dumped them etc.

    So we'll wait and see, but since time is short until the inauguration, I don't give it much of an chance.

  • Center Left
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    Clinton is in a cautious position. No reason to over react however if things that are substantial are found it would be time to decide if the party needs saved or buried. Checking for a back bone.

    Rigged !!!!! Remember those chants ? Steal the election from us and we will protest with guns in the streets. Crazy as it sounded it was determining what is important and vowing to fight to protect it. Is the Democratic equivalent- Steal an election from us and we will cower and cry. Not a party I would stay involved with.

  • Liberal
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    One of many reasons I'm an Independent!
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Make a total victory for the people and throw out the lobbyists also.
  • Independent
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Make a total victory for the people and throw out the lobbyists also.
    Sure, how are you going to do that? Burn your shorts in public???
  • Independent
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    pr Wrote: One of many reasons I'm an Independent!
    Wow, the same here, but did not help either!!!
  • Center Left
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    An education, manners and decency doesn't mean you can't fight for or protect what is right. Stand up and yell liberal progressive people.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Make a total victory for the people and throw out the lobbyists also.
    Sure, how are you going to do that? Burn your shorts in public???
    In the same spirit and manner of reversing the election. Lobbyist also take away the meaning of an election.
  • Independent
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Make a total victory for the people and throw out the lobbyists also.
    Sure, how are you going to do that? Burn your shorts in public???
    In the same spirit and manner of reversing the election. Lobbyist also take away the meaning of an election.
    Again,how are you going to do that???? Put yourself on fire in front of the Trump Tower?
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    The electoral college can only be changed by a constitutional amendment. Simply tack on a revision to the first amendment. But the electoral college has a low risk of ever being changed. Attacking the electoral college also attacks the system of apportionment for Senators. Senators would never touch the electoral college. The Senate is of even less democratic representation than the electoral college