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What was the real reason for Hillary's loss.

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt says: "It is still the same "for profit media" that helped destroy the Clinton candidacy by making huge profits on sensationalizing her e-mail story and others."

    Is that a consensus on this forum why Hillary lost the election?

  • Liberal
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    Well, ,that certainly helped but she and the Dems never fought back (as usual) not to mention they never gave the old white lower/middle class any reason at all to vote for her. Trump did. We know he was and is nothing but BS but that's what the underinformed electorate thrives on (both parties) and that, my friends, is what has got us to this point in time.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    As I mentioned in other posts there are a multitude of reasons Clinton lost including many of Bernie's supporters staying home on election day. However, for anyone paying attention, Donald Trump captured the Lion's share of media coverage; the for profit media became obsessed with "everything Trump" giving him unprecedented free coverage by showing clips of his daily rants again and again. In the meantime they ignored Clinton's more presidential sounding town halls and other venues...too boring for their viewers. That's a fact that you will not read about in the for profit corporate media.
  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote: As I mentioned in other posts there are a multitude of reasons Clinton lost including many of Bernie's supporters staying home on election day. However, for anyone paying attention, Donald Trump captured the Lion's share of media coverage; the for profit media became obsessed with "everything Trump" giving him unprecedented free coverage by showing clips of his daily rants again and again. In the meantime they ignored Clinton's more presidential sounding town halls and other venues...too boring for their viewers. That's a fact that you will not read about in the for profit corporate media.
    Yes Schmidt, absolutely; the uneducated masses here love an "entertainment show" and love hypocrites and like to stay dumb naive uneducated "deplorables".
  • Center Left
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    I have zero respect or hope for the pres. However I will say someone close to him locked in on the psyche and hunger within our populace. It was something the Democrats entirely missed. Maybe this horrible election was important to advise us all that we didn't know before. Foremost is the lack of compassion and intellect in such a huge number of our neighbors.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "Maybe this horrible election was important to advise us all that we didn't know before."

    A lot of people new, including Sanders. But the message was denied, ignored, criticized or ridiculed.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "It was something the Democrats entirely missed."

    Not true.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: As I mentioned in other posts there are a multitude of reasons Clinton lost including many of Bernie's supporters staying home on election day. However, for anyone paying attention, Donald Trump captured the Lion's share of media coverage; the for profit media became obsessed with "everything Trump" giving him unprecedented free coverage by showing clips of his daily rants again and again. In the meantime they ignored Clinton's more presidential sounding town halls and other venues...too boring for their viewers. That's a fact that you will not read about in the for profit corporate media.
    Well, we, my spouse and I voted for Bernie in the primaries, but he didn't pull off a win. When we voted again in the general election, we voted for Mrs. Clinton, in fact, straight democrat ticket. It's difficult for me to believe why any democrat would sit out any type of election, especially since all of MSM was reporting that most people who align themselves as democrats don't vote in primaries. But, those who align themselves as democrats should get their fannies out to vote for whomever a democrat might be running, by now, we can only hope that they've seen the err of their ways in not voting. We now have right wing nut jobs trying to undo everything democrats have fought for in the past decades. And, hopefully the right leaning people realize that they elected the wrong people to lead.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Who Are Bernie Sanders’ Supporters Voting For?

    I haven't seen any numerical numbers, but there were a bunch of die-hard Bernie supporters who learned to hate Hillary so much during the primary campaign that they just couldn't vote for her. It was an entirely emotional reaction for them, and of course, the WikiLeaks revelations didn't help. Some voted for the 3rd party candidates, many didn't vote at all and some voted for Trump. I do recognize that most Bernie supporters voted for Hillary in huge numbers...but just not enough.

    Those Bernie supporters who voted for Trump were largely the Rust Belt blue collar workers who identified with Bernie's message on single payer health care, the inequality (millionaires and billionaires) but probably mostly on trade and jobs...the China Syndrome. On that single anti-trade agreement issue Bernie and Trump spoke the same language, so that particular subset of Bernie supporters became essentially single issue voters, preferring Bernie but opting for Trump.

    Hillary was bashed so much by Trump and Republicans (with help from the media), she had a hard time getting her message through. I have mentioned this before, but I studied where she stood on all the issues very carefully. Her website, HillaryClinton.com was outstanding in that regard for wonks like me, but I recognize very few people including the media put much effort into reading and studying it like I did. It was frustrating for me.

    In the end, people largely voted their emotions, and didn't engage in critical thinking.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    One huge elephant in the room. In spite of spending over 2 billion dollars Hillary didn't get any fallout from the Clinton Foundation. For 2 Billion dollars you would think she wouldn't need to campaign at all
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Through her campaign, Mrs. Clinton kept saying she was a moderate, and then came her deplorables quote. I think Sanders was more of a progressive than her. I think maybe those 2 things, along with a few other bites put the torpedoes into her run.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: One huge elephant in the room. In spite of spending over 2 billion dollars Hillary didn't get any fallout from the Clinton Foundation. For 2 Billion dollars you would think she wouldn't need to campaign at all
    Chet -- I don't know what the hell you are talking about. Sheesh.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dockadams Wrote: Through her campaign, Mrs. Clinton kept saying she was a moderate, and then came her deplorables quote. I think Sanders was more of a progressive than her. I think maybe those 2 things, along with a few other bites put the torpedoes into her run.

    Yes the deplorable comment taken out of context hurt her. She should have been more careful in her words knowing that Trump will extract any part of her speech for political gain. Here is the full context.

    NPR: Hillary Clinton's 'Basket Of Deplorables,' In Full Context Of This Ugly Campaign

  • Independent
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    The "real " reason? I've said many times that the reason is " because this country acts like an island". Due to weird 1800's laws, including election laws, it will never become an "progressive" country. The reason she lost is due to these election laws as well the education level in this country. Nothing from the outside of this country is ever accepted, like decent health care, normal worldwide accepted gun laws, a government structure which works for everyone not an half ass British government structure copy "adapted and manipulated by an zillion lawyers", instead of an parlimentary system. Furthermore the huge corruption here by pumping in "billions" of money to get someone elected is asking for it to go wrong. An "lobbyist" system makes it even worse. The election of Trump shows exactly how screwed up the system is; no laws or "vetting" to become an President.

    In Europe only very limited money is involved (caps) and no "lobbying" is allowed; no adds either, except on an government supplied "billboard". Thus the real reason is the "self inflicted wound",which is "corruption" in all area's. You can "buy" people here.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: One huge elephant in the room. In spite of spending over 2 billion dollars Hillary didn't get any fallout from the Clinton Foundation. For 2 Billion dollars you would think she wouldn't need to campaign at all
    Chet -- I don't know what the hell you are talking about. Sheesh.
    Really Schmidt, really??? You don't think she should have gotten any recognition from association with the Clinton Foundation. Especially you who places so much importance on credentials.