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The Future of the Democratic Message?

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Hillary lost, in part, because her campaign lacked much of a central message. A scarce percentage of her media coverage revolved around actual policy, and identity politics failed her where they succeeded for Obama. Unless Trump gets impeached, he will likely use his regular con artist tactics for the 2020 election. Therefore, it behooves the Democrats to refine their communication so the Democratic nominee wins enough fervor to endure Trump's defamation.

    The tactics we employed this year won't work 4 years from now, given the way the pendulum swings. The alt-right has effectively high-jacked political correctness to defend white males. Additionally, the alt-right trolls have learned to deface the democratic sensibilities of political correctness. Identity politics have declined in popularity, even for the minorities they benefit most. In part, the failure of identity politics should be attributed to the fact that they serve as a kind of "trickle-down" form of social justice. Educated elites devise new cultural paradigms and hope that they eventually have a positive impact on the disenfranchised. Therefore, while identity politics can have a positive influence, they fail to directly address tangible challenges for people at the bottom. Furthermore, the DNC still seems to favor members with corporatist leanings and proclivities for pay-to-play politics.

    I personally think that class, economic issues, and populism should play key roles in future democratic platforms. It could be blatantly socialist, for all I care. The democrats should shift gears in some way, because we just got knocked on our asses. What do you think? Am I wrong? What policies should be pitched? How should the message be tailored?

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Money has to be spent. Plain and simple. Starting with the Commodities Futures Modernization Act. That allowed Federal Law to suprecede state law and it allowed what was illegal gambling under state laws to run wild in the financial system. Multiple trades new trades were allowed to be classified as futures thus be traded unrgulated. Future trading itself is pure gambling but as initially applied it added stability to sensitive commodities. It could prevent bad years from wiping out commodity suppliers. Under the CFMA it allows pure disinterested gambling on multiple contracts that are in no way sensitive like a commodity. The ease and speeded of the CFMA trading has shifted money into non productive investing. Quadrillions, of dollars are tied up securitising gambling instead of providing money for jobs producing investing. The Democratic Party has to become the party of the working person. Focus on making money work. There is nothing socialistic about outlawing new laws that used to be illegal.
  • Independent
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    Scytale Wrote:

    Hillary lost, in part, because her campaign lacked much of a central message. A scarce percentage of her media coverage revolved around actual policy, and identity politics failed her where they succeeded for Obama. Unless Trump gets impeached, he will likely use his regular con artist tactics for the 2020 election. Therefore, it behooves the Democrats to refine their communication so the Democratic nominee wins enough fervor to endure Trump's defamation.

    The tactics we employed this year won't work 4 years from now, given the way the pendulum swings. The alt-right has effectively high-jacked political correctness to defend white males. Additionally, the alt-right trolls have learned to deface the democratic sensibilities of political correctness. Identity politics have declined in popularity, even for the minorities they benefit most. In part, the failure of identity politics should be attributed to the fact that they serve as a kind of "trickle-down" form of social justice. Educated elites devise new cultural paradigms and hope that they eventually have a positive impact on the disenfranchised. Therefore, while identity politics can have a positive influence, they fail to directly address tangible challenges for people at the bottom. Furthermore, the DNC still seems to favor members with corporatist leanings and proclivities for pay-to-play politics.

    I personally think that class, economic issues, and populism should play key roles in future democratic platforms. It could be blatantly socialist, for all I care. The democrats should shift gears in some way, because we just got knocked on our asses. What do you think? Am I wrong? What policies should be pitched? How should the message be tailored?

    Scytale, good story. I think the approach of Bernie was not all that bad; ad some more "'positive" economic things to it as well "goodies" for the "rust belt" and "Bible belt" then we may win next time. However I'm an bit at a loss what for "goodies" except may be of an "rewritten" Bible and "rust remover" plant. May be we can teach them that the world is older than 6000 years; the "coal fossils" should have proven that.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Scytale Wrote:

    Hillary lost, in part, because her campaign lacked much of a central message. A scarce percentage of her media coverage revolved around actual policy, and identity politics failed her where they succeeded for Obama. Unless Trump gets impeached, he will likely use his regular con artist tactics for the 2020 election. Therefore, it behooves the Democrats to refine their communication so the Democratic nominee wins enough fervor to endure Trump's defamation.

    The tactics we employed this year won't work 4 years from now, given the way the pendulum swings. The alt-right has effectively high-jacked political correctness to defend white males. Additionally, the alt-right trolls have learned to deface the democratic sensibilities of political correctness. Identity politics have declined in popularity, even for the minorities they benefit most. In part, the failure of identity politics should be attributed to the fact that they serve as a kind of "trickle-down" form of social justice. Educated elites devise new cultural paradigms and hope that they eventually have a positive impact on the disenfranchised. Therefore, while identity politics can have a positive influence, they fail to directly address tangible challenges for people at the bottom. Furthermore, the DNC still seems to favor members with corporatist leanings and proclivities for pay-to-play politics.

    I personally think that class, economic issues, and populism should play key roles in future democratic platforms. It could be blatantly socialist, for all I care. The democrats should shift gears in some way, because we just got knocked on our asses. What do you think? Am I wrong? What policies should be pitched? How should the message be tailored?

    Class, economic issues, and populism did play a big part in Bernie Sanders candidacy. However, we would be mistaken to think that such a platform would have a huge mandate. If it wasn't for the caucuses, Hillary Clinton would have knocked Bernie out of the race much sooner. He had a populist message that resonated with his naïve millenial mostly white followers who took over the caucuses in a big way. But as Washington State demonstrated, his "yuge" caucus mandate was not replicated in the primary which Hillary won handily.

    The problem we have is that the Republican oligarchs who control the party are absolutely ruthless in the way they seek power at any cost. Everyone is expendable and any promise undelivered matters little to them. They rely on the ignorance of the American public, and are masters in knowing how to play to their emotions often finding the single issue that resonates.

    The "pride in ignorance" is so embedded in the psyche of that demographic that no matter what the "other" has to say, it will be twisted and turned against them. Finally, they voted. We didn't. That was the bottom line.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    I'm watching Al Jazeera in Cape Town. They are talking about the "normalization" of the media towards the Trump presidency...that is, media outlets do not want to lose a place at the table in interviewing Trump so they are conducting softball interviews, with the 60 Minutes interview held up as an example. It is still the same "for profit media" that helped destroy the Clinton candidacy by making huge profits on sensationalizing her e-mail story and others. Now the feeling is that they fear Trump might give them a back seat or none at all...so the message is "be nice to the bully".

    How the hell can anyone challenge the Trump doctrine and the ignorance they target when it becomes "conventional thinking" in the media? Follow the money...

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    I'm watching Al Jazeera in Cape Town. They are talking about the "normalization" of the media towards the Trump presidency...that is, media outlets do not want to lose a place at the table in interviewing Trump so they are conducting softball interviews, with the 60 Minutes interview held up as an example. It is still the same "for profit media" that helped destroy the Clinton candidacy by making huge profits on sensationalizing her e-mail story and others. Now the feeling is that they fear Trump might give them a back seat or none at all...so the message is "be nice to the bully".

    How the hell can anyone challenge the Trump doctrine and the ignorance they target when it becomes "conventional thinking" in the media? Follow the money...

    As long as the media is owned by some billionaires, who only live for profit or having an government who feeds them sensation then nothing is going to change. This is the American way.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Scytale Wrote:

    Hillary lost, in part, because her campaign lacked much of a central message. A scarce percentage of her media coverage revolved around actual policy, and identity politics failed her where they succeeded for Obama. Unless Trump gets impeached, he will likely use his regular con artist tactics for the 2020 election. Therefore, it behooves the Democrats to refine their communication so the Democratic nominee wins enough fervor to endure Trump's defamation.

    The tactics we employed this year won't work 4 years from now, given the way the pendulum swings. The alt-right has effectively high-jacked political correctness to defend white males. Additionally, the alt-right trolls have learned to deface the democratic sensibilities of political correctness. Identity politics have declined in popularity, even for the minorities they benefit most. In part, the failure of identity politics should be attributed to the fact that they serve as a kind of "trickle-down" form of social justice. Educated elites devise new cultural paradigms and hope that they eventually have a positive impact on the disenfranchised. Therefore, while identity politics can have a positive influence, they fail to directly address tangible challenges for people at the bottom. Furthermore, the DNC still seems to favor members with corporatist leanings and proclivities for pay-to-play politics.

    I personally think that class, economic issues, and populism should play key roles in future democratic platforms. It could be blatantly socialist, for all I care. The democrats should shift gears in some way, because we just got knocked on our asses. What do you think? Am I wrong? What policies should be pitched? How should the message be tailored?

    Scytale -- Your use of the term "alt-right" is another example of the normalization of the media. Rather than calling a spade a spade, we invent terms to soften the harshness. There are other terms like "low information voter", that in Trump speak would be called "dumb shits" or something like that.

    I looked up the term alt-right to see what it really meant to many in the media. At least one person has called them the politically incorrect, "Hipster Nazis". No respectable media person will use that language although it fits. The best all encompassing description I can find is in Quora:

    Quora: What is the American "alternative right"?

    "The ideologies espoused by "alt right" types can vary greatly, but broadly speaking includes certain sorts of extreme libertarians, immigration critics and "race realists" (basically intellectual racists and anti-semites), "neo-reactionaries" (who argue against democracy, human rights, and other manefestations of modernist philosophy), and anti-feminists, including some of the "Men's Rights" crowd. But there is also a more generic or moderate flavor of alt right thought that may not fully embrace any of the above agendas, but still be sympathic to their contrarian messages of skepticism towards prevailing conventional wisdom on matters like race, gender, and party politics."

    Maybe just bigots.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Definitely.

    Maybe I'll just call them shitheads from now on.

  • Center Left
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    Bigots, Shitheads, both work nicely. Get used to it because they'll be the main character on the nightly news until it's no longer deemed offensive. Not sure if it's true but in the Alt right theme, it was said that the KKK is planning a celebratory parade. Ahhh something to take the grandchildren to and add to the scrapbook.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Apparently the consensus is that more good paying jobs was not what won Trump the election.
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    Jobs was just one of many fake promises. Don't be single minded. He lied and misinformed on 16 topics. As a musical act he was playing requests.

    Tell me what you're scared of and I will lie about how I'll fix it. Con job. Stupid customers who vote wanted. No lines.

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    TJ Wrote:

    Jobs was just one of many fake promises. Don't be single minded. He lied and misinformed on 16 topics. As a musical act he was playing requests.

    Tell me what you're scared of and I will lie about how I'll fix it. Con job. Stupid customers who vote wanted. No lines.

    Tony, This is an big "island" with lots of "shitheads" thus thank them for it. As long as the "education" here is not done as in other civil countries with the right curriculum then this is the result of this.
  • Liberal
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    Hillary lost because the Dems have abandoned the white poor and middle class (at least in their shallow minds)! The Repubs couldn't care less about them either, BUT, they are smart enough to con them into believing they do and thus they gained their votes. It's pretty simple, promise them the world and give them peanuts and they will love you because you recognized them.

    America voters are lazy, under informed, misinformed and just plain stupid when it comes to politics and that includes both Dems and Repubs. The party of con men realizes how to suck these fools in and their top honcho Sr. Trumpy is a master at it. He is so good at fooling the people he even fooled himself and won the election - something NO ONE including Trumpy his-self ever thought was possible.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    pr Wrote:

    Hillary lost because the Dems have abandoned the white poor and middle class (at least in their shallow minds)! The Repubs couldn't care less about them either, BUT, they are smart enough to con them into believing they do and thus they gained their votes. It's pretty simple, promise them the world and give them peanuts and they will love you because you recognized them.

    America voters are lazy, under informed, misinformed and just plain stupid when it comes to politics and that includes both Dems and Repubs. The party of con men realizes how to suck these fools in and their top honcho Sr. Trumpy is a master at it. He is so good at fooling the people he even fooled himself and won the election - something NO ONE including Trumpy his-self ever thought was possible.

    His very first promise of more jobs included the only way to get the jobs back and that was to keep US labor wages low to be competitive. That is the Trump and GOP way to get jobs. Then when he realized telling people they will have to work for starvation wages might not be a game winner, he changed it to good paying jobs which he knows is impossible without radical progressive changes in the financial system. But his supporters did not question nor did any opposition question the obvious contradiction.

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    pr Wrote:

    Hillary lost because the Dems have abandoned the white poor and middle class (at least in their shallow minds)! The Repubs couldn't care less about them either, BUT, they are smart enough to con them into believing they do and thus they gained their votes. It's pretty simple, promise them the world and give them peanuts and they will love you because you recognized them.

    America voters are lazy, under informed, misinformed and just plain stupid when it comes to politics and that includes both Dems and Repubs. The party of con men realizes how to suck these fools in and their top honcho Sr. Trumpy is a master at it. He is so good at fooling the people he even fooled himself and won the election - something NO ONE including Trumpy his-self ever thought was possible.

    Yes P.R. I said so ages ago. The only thing I hope is that his "ego" will be his undoing; he will stumble, because he wants it all, including his business which he will keep "nursing". However if he copies Putin, he may be able to control all the "ropes" without being "overloaded" and ending up in the "nuthouse"; not any normal person can cope with what he is doing right now without consequences; either go on drugs or take an long vacation or check your blood pressure every day.