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    This old thread was from a year ago right after Trump was elected, but in browsing through the posts, much of discussion is as relevant today as it was then. We hate the fact that the ignorant and haters are in charge of our government.

    Elections have consequences as we now sorely know after Trump's first 10 months in office. Wow, it seems like a living nightmare. Did anyone predict it would be this bad? Oh yes...Dutch amongst others.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    This old thread was from a year ago right after Trump was elected, but in browsing through the posts, much of discussion is as relevant today as it was then. We hate the fact that the ignorant and haters are in charge of our government.

    Elections have consequences as we now sorely know after Trump's first 10 months in office. Wow, it seems like a living nightmare. Did anyone predict it would be this bad? Oh yes...Dutch amongst others.

    Thanks Schmidt; however the really bad news is still to come. Do you really think that Trump goes away without an huge fight? None of that will move this country forward; Pence will fight as well to take his place. So my prediction is that the Titanic for sure is going to hit the iceberg. The captains are to busy with themselves and forget to steer the ship.
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    Kirti123 Wrote:

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    Schmidt, I think you are looking to create a communist society by what you are conveying. If we teach the future of America that only one party is benevolent, and the "other party" is malevolent, then where have we really led our country? To make sure that our future generations do not think for themselves? To create a one party system that forbids another party from existing (now actual communism at this point in the post)?

    Schmidt, you must understand that balance is healthy. Ultimately, both parties right now are the most polarizing and toxic they have ever been. If you,a much older individual than myself, are too narrow minded to admit that both the republican and democratic parties are extremely toxic and polarizing right now, then your opinion is merely subjective.

    It is imperative to be capable of admitting the short comings of both the party you side with, and obviously the party you oppose. Praise God that you do not run this country. Free thinkers unite!

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    Nuts, "both" parties? No only one party dictates "dictatorship" with an "bully mob trained" idiot on top. Forgetting that this total "idiot" came from an KKK supporting family who milked tenants in their rental homes. The idiot "kid" never ever worked a day in his life; if he needed handout money, Pappy gave him millions. His parents never taught him that the word "no" exists. The "butt crawlers" around him are all low life and even more stupid than himself. So where did you come up that "both parties" are guilty? Sorry "one" party has sunk so low that they allow "murders" and close their eyes for it.

    He "arranged" the murders of Khashoki as well Epstein via an "phone call" the same with all the murders now take place in Syria by the Turks on the Kurds. He loves "dictators" and wants to be one. Does anyone in the DNC do that?


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    Mike:

    I agree with you. Balance IS important, which is why states that are somewhat more balanced in the Cook Partisan Voting Index are governed more responsibly.

    In my opinion, the Republican Party went of the rails in 1994, when Newt Gingrich introduced the "contract for America", and things got MUCH worse with the rise of the Tea Party in 2010. Today, they called themselves the Freedom Caucus, but they are just as crazy as the Tea Party/John Birch Society was.

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    Phil Wrote:

    Schmidt, I think you are looking to create a communist society by what you are conveying. If we teach the future of America that only one party is benevolent, and the "other party" is malevolent, then where have we really led our country? To make sure that our future generations do not think for themselves? To create a one party system that forbids another party from existing (now actual communism at this point in the post)?

    Schmidt, you must understand that balance is healthy. Ultimately, both parties right now are the most polarizing and toxic they have ever been. If you,a much older individual than myself, are too narrow minded to admit that both the republican and democratic parties are extremely toxic and polarizing right now, then your opinion is merely subjective.

    It is imperative to be capable of admitting the short comings of both the party you side with, and obviously the party you oppose. Praise God that you do not run this country. Free thinkers unite!

    Phil -- I don't know how you could construe that I would be conveying a communist state. That is absolutely nonsense. I have never advocated for a one party system or that one party is benevolent and the other party is malevolent. A one party system would be disastrous for our country.

    Is advocating for better education, in particular lessons in civics, (the topic of this thread) somehow advocating for a one party? Maybe you misread my posts, but I have been a long term champion of critical thinking on this website since its inception (look at my 6,525 posts), and critical thinking involves considering the facts of both sides of an issue.

    I do, however, see the current demise of the Republican Party as unhealthy for our democracy. The old Republican Party used to be a check on the Democratic Party's sometimes overly ambitious agenda. Now they have devolved into a bunch of Trump sycophants, apologists and enablers where they hold Trump up as some kind of messiah...the "chosen one". We need to get the party back to be more "John McCainish", not that I agreed with him, but at least he wasn't wedded to a party first mentality, or more accurately now "a "Trump first party". Lindsey Graham epitomizes what is wrong with the party...a lack of critical thinking. He used to be a critic of Trump. Now he has the title of "Chief Trump sycophant."

    Oh and I don't buy this shit of "both parties" are engaging in toxic warfare. I see Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff conducting an ethical impeachment inquiry according to laws, and I see nothing but Republican sycophants obstructing justice and living in an alternative reality while lying to the American public on the Trump propaganda network (Fox News).

    Finally I do not praise God for anything. I am an atheist...a critical thinker or free thinker as you put it.

    Welcome to this website, but do your homework before making accusations against me. Go check out any of my posts and blog articles. I stand by them all. My opinions are well researched.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Dutch has made numerous posts on how our education system has failed us. I don't necessarily agree with everyone of his points, but certainly knowledge of civics is sorely lacking.

    Huffington Post: America’s Schools Could Be Partly To Blame For Donald Trump’s Rise

    “This shock to our system, I think, requires a comparable investment in civics education,” said Kahlenberg. “We have to teach kids a love of democratic values because the point isn’t that Trump had a certain position on trade or abortion or any other issue, but he was running against what had been broadly accepted constitutional norms.”

    "The report argues that students must learn to think critically and make informed decisions as citizens and future voters. They need to appreciate the factors critical to a functioning democracy, like civil rights."

    In canvassing for both Obama and Clinton, I was almost shocked how little people knew about how our government functions. And the younger they were, the less knowledgeable they were on government. For many of the older generation, I was appalled how they hated government, blaming them for their circumstances in life. They are fodder for people like Trump to feed them anger and hate for their own political gain. Ignorance was a big factor in the election.

    Don't forget indoctrination has quite a bit to do with what might be taken as lack of education too. Picture a room full of young students in a classroom where a prominent figure is visiting just because he or she can.

    Now picture a group of eligible voters in a room where the electoral college is meeting, and twisting arms to get one or more people to see it by what the peers are proposing. A situation where let's say there's 25 people gathered, 23 of them are pro trump, 2 are not. By the end of the meet, there will be 25 pro trumpies through arm twisting, threats, and indoctrination.

    In the photo below, reading my pet goat by Bush 43, right at the time he should have been defending the USA, instead, he was practicing indoctrination.

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    We have forgotten what a bad president George Bush was. His approval ratings were on the floor when he left office due in large part to the Great Recession, but also his and Cheney's lying to get us into the Iraq War. Again the distinguishing characteristic of both Bush and Trump is their advocacy for corporations and the rich.

    I recall back in October 2000 when Bush addressed an audience of rich at the Al Smith dinner: "This is an impressive crowd—the haves and the have-mores. Some people call you the elites - I call you my base." He said that in jest, but it rung true for his presidency.

    Of course, Bush's base then was more than just the corporatists -- it included the "cling to their god and guns" crowd, as Obama aptly named them -- the evangelicals and the gun crazies. Trump, likewise, has continually pandered to that portion of his base. It more or less defines the Republican Party now, a ruthless party lacking in moral values putting Trump and tribalism ahead of country...but with the super rich and "God" in charge.

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    In the you-can’t-make-up-this-stuff department, here’s what the Republican Party of Texas wrote into its 2012 platform as part of the section on education:

    Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.

    Yes, you read that right. The party opposes the teaching of “higher order thinking skills” because it believes the purpose is to challenge a student’s “fixed beliefs” and undermine “parental authority.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/texas-gop-rejects-critical-thinking-skills-really/2012/07/08/gJQAHNpFXW_blog.html

    This craziness has also spread to Arizona:

    A highly contagious malady appears to have caused a dangerous epidemic that seems to spread most quickly and easily among Republican lawmakers, often seeming to be transmitted by a more virulently infected member. In this case, Sen. Nancy Barto, a kind of Typhoid Mary of this particular affliction.

    It is called epistemophobia and, yes, it’s a real thing.

    Defined briefly, it is the irrational fear of knowledge.

    What else could explain what is going on at the State Capitol, particularly with the recent passage of Senate Bill 1456?

    This particular proposal would require parental permission before educators were able to teach anything about any aspect of gender identity, sexuality, AIDS and more. And it would allow parents to opt out of any material that might touch on any such subject, which could be … anything.

    In other words, unless parents specifically request that their children are provided by educators with actual information, which leads to knowledge and understanding, our schools are meant to keep the kids ignorant.

    Add to that, of course, an irrational bias so many in the GOP seem to have against the LGBTQ community. A prejudice that implementation of such a law would foment in Arizona’s children.

    There is no reason for information, knowledge, to be feared.

    When imparted in a classroom setting there is an opportunity for questions to be asked, explanations to be made and – most importantly – comprehension, even empathy, to be developed.

    Without that we end up with uninformed (or purposefully ignorant) grownups who, like Republican Rep. John Kavanaugh say things like, “Today’s sex-ed has morphed into sex indoctrination.”

    Epistemophobia.

    It’s a good word, one that I learned by choosing knowledge, education. I had not been aware there was a clinical term for such a condition. Until recently, I referred to the irrational fear of knowledge by way of a more colloquial expression:

    Stupidity.

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2021/04/16/arizona-legislature-fear-knowledge-sex-education-proven-sb-1456/7257103002/

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    Arizona -- Good post on critical thinking and ignorance. Here's another quote: "Most ignorance is vincible ignorance. We don't know because we don't want to know." -- Aldous Huxley

    Anyway, Thom Hartmann had another good article on the subject recently: Why the "Reagan Revolution" Scheme to Gut America's Middle Class is Coming to an End

    Hartmann refers to his new book, The Hidden History of American Oligarchy, where he cites the early 1950s conservative thinker Russell Kirk who noted that "the American middle-class at that time was growing more rapidly than any middle-class had ever grown in the history of the world, in terms of the number of people in the middle class, the income of those people, and the overall wealth that those people were accumulating. The middle-class was growing in wealth and income back then, in fact, faster than were the top 1%."

    However, rather than citing the benefits of a strong middle class, "Kirk postulated in 1951 that if the middle-class got too wealthy, we would see an absolute collapse of our nation’s social order, producing chaos, riots and possibly even the end of the republic."

    Kirk referenced the writings of Edmund Burke and his contemporaries in the late 1700s who "believed that if working-class people made too much money, they would challenge the social order and collapse the British form of government. So Parliament passed a law making it illegal for employers to pay people over a certain amount, so as to keep wage-earners right at the edge of poverty throughout their lives."

    You can read the full article, but Hartmann goes on to claim that the Kirk/Burke thinking is embraced in the Reagan Revolution. What Reagan sold to the American people was "the idea that the US shouldn’t protect the rights of workers, subsidize education, or enforce Civil Rights laws because, “conservatives” said, government itself is a remote, dangerous and incompetent power that can legally use guns to enforce its will. As Reagan told us in his first inaugural, government was not the solution to our problems, but instead was the problem itself."

    That is an accurate description of Republican Party pervasive thinking today as well as during the Reagan years that less government is "good". The Reagan Revolution in thinking, of course, also set the climate for the ever expanding wealth gap in the USA as succeeding tax cuts for the rich have become an annual part of the party platform...the false trickle down economic theory that is so often cited by them.

    To put it in other terms more along the lines of your post..."keep them stupid" or your epistemophobia while also promoting the culture wars and the hyper patriot "god and country" theme. It's all in the messaging, and ignorance abounds to keep it that way.

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    Today's Tucson newspaper reported that governor Ducey had vetoed SB1456, a strict sex education bill, because it was "too broad and too vague".