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The country is not divided, or is it?

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Is the country divided? Who are Trump's supporters? Essentially Trump was elected by a progressive constituency that was looking for a candidate. Can they be villanized for electing a candidate who voiced support for there problems or should the DNC be villanized for not providing a candidate voicing support for the lower classes. Hillary initially started campaigning with an everything is fine I am going to fine tune it. She didn't start a responsive campaign until after the convention. By that time it was getting too late because Trump had lied himself into promising lots of good paying jobs. Hillary made a huge probably fatal mistake calling working class hurting people deplorables. Can the Democratic Party reset itself to focusing on the lower classes? Can the Democratic Party focus on the working class? As the reality of spreading the cost of preexisting conditions continues to accelerate premiums out of reach for more people there will be hard acknowledgements to be made. Trump is already broadcasting the truth of his lies about caring for working people with his staff choices. Trump will end up being just as Liable for his campaign promises as he is for Trump University.
  • Center Left
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    There's a huge difference between deplorable's and common working folks. Difference is the spread of hate because immigrants must have caused your problems.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    45% The core of Trump's support can be called deplorables. The 55% are common working class people hurting and with a bleak future are who made Trump president. If it is not recognized that a lot of people are hurting then it will get worse. Bankruptcies are getting ready to surge because of the working middle class dropping health insurance because of skyrocketing premiums. With less payers it will shoot premiums even higher. It is going to be a real mess.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I have a problem with the whole premise of this thread.

    Yes. The country is divided. It has been divided for hundreds of years. The Framers of the Constitution were divided; the people who voted to ratify the Constitution were divided; the nation was divided during the antebellum era. I can go on and on (and on).

    My point is that we have always been a divided country. 300 million people think they have the answers to all of the problems and that everything would be peaches and cream if we just listened to them.

    That's not how things work though. Many people voted for Trump because they vote straight party ticket. Others thought he would fix all of their problems. The same goes for Clinton voters. And 43% of eligible voters had their say by sitting on their ass and not voting at all.

    The last number is the one we need to focus on the most.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    You are right , what I was meaning is the country is not divided the way people are portraying from the election results. You are absolutely right about it being divided but the division is weighted heavily Democratic. Trump used the biggest lie to swindle the election his way.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    I wouldn't use the term divided to describe the dissonance of the American people. I would use the term "shattered."

    The neocons have split. Some have rallied behind Trump, whole others like Glenn Beck and the Mormons have shied away.

    The liberals have split. Neoliberals are going down in flames with Hillary's downfall, while AfterBerners and people farther to the left get flack for failing to support Hillary.

    On top of it all, only half the nation voted. Many of those who didn't are currently protesting the President-elect.

    The democratic establishment and liberal wrecking-balls like Bernie have yet to dust themselves off and determine a pecking order.

    Honestly, the only groups that seem relatively unified are the upcoming GOP establishment and the alt-right.

    This election has forced many people to find strange bedfellows and Trump's administration will carry that legacy, imo.

    Despite the fact that Trump is already massively unpopular, I think the Dems will need a very strong leader to unite the Left and take the White House in 2020.

  • Independent
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    Scytale Wrote:

    I wouldn't use the term divided to describe the dissonance of the American people. I would use the term "shattered."

    The neocons have split. Some have rallied behind Trump, whole others like Glenn Beck and the Mormons have shied away.

    The liberals have split. Neoliberals are going down in flames with Hillary's downfall, while AfterBerners and people farther to the left get flack for failing to support Hillary.

    On top of it all, only half the nation voted. Many of those who didn't are currently protesting the President-elect.

    The democratic establishment and liberal wrecking-balls like Bernie have yet to dust themselves off and determine a pecking order.

    Honestly, the only groups that seem relatively unified are the upcoming GOP establishment and the alt-right.

    This election has forced many people to find strange bedfellows and Trump's administration will carry that legacy, imo.

    Despite the fact that Trump is already massively unpopular, I think the Dems will need a very strong leader to unite the Left and take the White House in 2020.

    Scytale; yes I fully agree; this country is in an super mess and lacks real leaders who live in 2016 and have an worldwide education about governing; also an total overhaul is needed for the Constitution, in order to be able to govern with sensible tools, instead of total screwed up billions costing "rigged" elections with ridiculous results as well stupid gun laws and other laws/rules dating from before 1800. What about "vetting" an person BERORE he/she wants to be President??; an Muslim who wants to enter the country is screened from top to bottom, why not a "person" who wants the highest job in the country. No one knows his tax record, or exactly his holdings or foreign connections and holdings; all law suits against him; scrutiny on all his bankruptcy's and a billion tax deductable loss? All the holdings of his kids, all the liens against his buildings and himself, all his debts, all his bank records including foreign. Etc etc. Nothing was "vetted" at all; is this country really that stupid???

    So we just wait until he's in the saddle and then may be we find out "things" and have to go through a million procedures and suits to get him out, at tremendous cost to the taxpayer. Very smart indeed!!!

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Absolutely nothing good will come. Surgeons cut, generals fight and business men improve their position.
  • Center Left
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    I predict a civil war. I hate war anywhere at anytime but social media is showing deplorable moronic idiots are coming out from everywhere. Chanting how they should hang the monkeys and then suggesting that they aren't racists. Our new prez. Has in essence given his approval by uttering nearly no condemnation. You see idiots 12 times a day but many are physically getting increasingly violent. I will gladly take down fools and their confederate flags all day every day. I close by saying the ones receiving the hateful verbal attacks are the ones showing maturity and restraint. He probably knew the can of chaos he was opening. I hope very much that in a messy way it spills onto his lap.

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    Alright, I don't expect a civil war but the ignoring is causing desensitization and that's dangerous. You would think a president elect might consider a bit of leadership. Things are certainly pointed in a bad direction. As I raised my children my message was to view how people treat others.

    Duck season, Wabbit season, Bigot season.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Wait until the promise of lots of good paying jobs starts to fall apart. Trump is used to dealing on a micro level, one contractor at a time and a court room. Making a very attractive beneficial promise to millions of desperate people is another situation altogether. People not typically responsive to judicial declarations about their lives.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Vox, November 16, 2016: Trump understands what many miss: people don’t make decisions based on facts

    This article addresses many of the same points I have made in this website...that people vote based on their emotions rather than facts or intellect.

    "...Trump was actually just trading on something psychologists and political scientists have known for years: that people don’t necessarily make decisions based on facts. Instead, we are often guided by our emotions and deeply held biases. Humans are also very adept at ignoring facts so that we can continue to see the world in a way that conforms to our preconceived notions. And simply stating factual information that contradicts those deeply held beliefs is often not enough to combat the spread of misinformation."

    There is quite a lot in the article. I'll just this tid bit for now, but you should read it to get the full picture.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    As I said from the beginning, people were drawn to Trump because of his charisma. But one thing is being camoflauged by saying people didn't think through it. They did and they voted for a guy promising them lots of good paying jobs. They were deceived. And we were to blame for not providing that candidate.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote:

    Scytale; yes I fully agree; this country is in an super mess and lacks real leaders who live in 2016 and have an worldwide education about governing; also an total overhaul is needed for the Constitution, in order to be able to govern with sensible tools, instead of total screwed up billions costing "rigged" elections with ridiculous results as well stupid gun laws and other laws/rules dating from before 1800. What about "vetting" an person BERORE he/she wants to be President??; an Muslim who wants to enter the country is screened from top to bottom, why not a "person" who wants the highest job in the country. No one knows his tax record, or exactly his holdings or foreign connections and holdings; all law suits against him; scrutiny on all his bankruptcy's and a billion tax deductable loss? All the holdings of his kids, all the liens against his buildings and himself, all his debts, all his bank records including foreign. Etc etc. Nothing was "vetted" at all; is this country really that stupid???

    So we just wait until he's in the saddle and then may be we find out "things" and have to go through a million procedures and suits to get him out, at tremendous cost to the taxpayer. Very smart indeed!!!

    We're in a post-truth culture at this point.

    The media devoted little time and attention to the platforms of each candidate.

    observer.com/2016/09/harvard-study-poli...

    Donald exploited the fact that people would have rather listened to appeals of emotion than actual substance.

    nytimes.com/2016/11/04/opinion/campaign...

    I think the best strategy liberals can execute when breaking the imminent GOP establishment should depend on hard-nosed honesty.

  • Center Left
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    Scytale, I have not previously said so but welcome to this site. The ideas you have offered are very positive and appreciated. What you and Schmidt have provided is good. It leads me to be troubled because there a cognitive dissonance wherein my party is asleep at the wheel. Thus our government has slipped away. A tough thing to get back.
  • Independent
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    Another thing I forgot to mention is like Romney; where does he "park" his money??? Also in the Cayman's? Thus he wants corporations to bring their money back into the US, but himself of course "no way". As I pointed out which idiots in this country let all these things happen without an blink of the eye. Is anyone still pursuing his tax records or his wheeling and dealing outside the country? He wants to appoint an "general" who has dealings with Turkey and ties to Russia; what is going on here? NO ONE IS WATCHING THE "HEN" HOUSE AND INVITED AN "FOX" INTO IT. The results will be obvious.