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TJ Wrote: They are strong and able. We are disorganized, weak and pitiful. We can do next to nothing. MAYBE if we get new leadership in the party, maybe they can start to rebuild and hope for limited success in 2 years and maybe more in 4 years. I just wonder what damage a conman, his evil VP, Republican Senate and Congress as well as a cabinet of fools, a slanted supreme court and an uneducated populace can do in the next 4 - 7 3/4 years. Throw in a greed ridden religious community and, well hell, I am feeling optimistic already. NOT. We are very organized, but older Democrats are used to playing too nice. We have the majority, we have the country, we have the next generation, and now we have the demographics. They can't do anything about that, they know they are on the way back into the wilderness. This will be the height of the power and they want to do the most damage they can on the way out. We can't let them do it. ...and we have the best community organizer in the world.
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jaredsxtn Wrote:Keith Hays Wrote: If Republican senators are 100% on our side then yes, but if not then no. The compromise thing will not work in this case. First Democrats suck at it. We lost this election in no small measure because we created a market based system when every Democrat wanted single payer with price negotiation. Obama Care is a 40% (really more like 10%) of what we wanted. Is it in anyway useful to anyone now. No, no, no. We will not compromise any more. Well then you are going to be even more angry than you are now when moderate Republicans are forced to side with the more radical forces in their party. There are many ways we can make it difficult for Trump to ram his legislation through. We can filibuster legislation on a whole host of issues, but that isn't going to work when McConnell moves to eliminate the filibuster for Supreme Court Justices. That's when Democrats are going to have to figure out a way to peel away three Republicans and convince them to vote against that. Democrats will have a far better hand to play if they are willing to negotiate with some moderate Republicans in the Senate. I get your anger, but now is not the time to stop thinking rationally. Don't let your perfect be the enemy of the good. Lets play this from the fully cynical and political way of thinking. I don't care what McConnell does. I fully expect that he will do exactly what you say regardless of what we do. I expect that Trump will do exactly all of the things he said he was going to do while he was campaigning(and not what he is saying at the moment)...also regardless of what we do. We can be complicit in that or not. The results of all of Trumps actions will be an unmitigated disaster for him, the country...and especially the very people who voted for him. McConnell will have lifted the filibuster and its possible that Roe will be overturned. Which all sounds really horrible (and it will be) which it will be until the next election at which time Trump will not be reelected(or if its 8 years he will be gone), the Republican party will be synonymous with Trump-ism. Roe will not be there to motivate the remaining true conservatives to the polls. By this time, this backlash from the overreach will be I expect on a level that is unimaginable. Anyone who was complicity with the thing they will do will fall with them. Whomever remains standing on the battlefield will have the chance to truly bring the country together and actually help those in need which will most certainly be great by that time. So, no I am not angry at least not in sort of unstable way that you intended it, but there is someone who is at the head of a party that will make every attempt to tear apart the fabric of this country for his own purposes and we need to make anyone who would do that pay for there actions both legally when it is over and politically for the next 50 to 60 years.
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