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The Will of the People is Discarded for the Second Time in 16 Years

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    It's time to get rid of the Electoral College once and for all.

    For the second time in sixteen years the will of the the people has been ignored and this time it will very likely have a detrimental impact on our country that we may never be able to recover from. For the second time in sixteen years an outdated system that was instituted to perpetuate slavery has prevented a person who won the popular vote from becoming President.

    When will this madness end? How many more elections will we have that thwarts the will of the people before the people rise up and say enough is enough?

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    It's time to get rid of the Electoral College once and for all.

    For the second time in sixteen years the will of the the people has been ignored and this time it will very likely have a detrimental impact on our country that we may never be able to recover from. For the second time in sixteen years an outdated system that was instituted to perpetuate slavery has prevented a person who won the popular vote from becoming President.

    When will this madness end? How many more elections will we have that thwarts the will of the people before the people rise up and say enough is enough?

    I doubt that people here care; the "will of the people" has spoken; and these are the present "rules"; I've not heard from anyone to change these rules; neither the "antique" Constitution. Sorry this is an corrupt very strange country and does not want to copy on how other civilized countries vote and count their votes. It always has to be different here, you should know that. Sorry this is and stays an arrogant "island" and now an "banana republic" and shortly run by the Trump mafia, so be proud of that.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: I doubt that people here care; the "will of the people" has spoken; and these are the present "rules"; I've not heard from anyone to change these rules; neither the "antique" Constitution. Sorry this is an corrupt very strange country and does not want to copy on how other civilized countries vote and count their votes. It always has to be different here, you should know that. Sorry this is and stays an arrogant "island" and now an "banana republic" and shortly run by the Trump mafia, so be proud of that.
    Plenty of people have called for the abolition of the Electoral College. The biggest obstacle is that it would require a Constitutional Amendment to make it a reality.
  • Center Left
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    I am 100% in favor of losing the morons who make up the electoral college however it's like term limits and almost no lobbying. They're great ideas that are 98% unlikely to ever happen. Tell us how to take a step in the right direction and I am on board ****. If we had AL Gore as potus..... pollution would have slowed down, better people would have been selected for supr court and we wouldn't have gone back into Iraq (after rescuing Kuwait) as Bush did to clean up unfinished business. Wow the "Popular vote could have saved trillion's of dollars and thousands of lives". Tell me how those savings and no Donald Trump can be argued against....... waiting..... still waiting...
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  • Independent
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    Yes, T.J. you are talking my language now!! I always got nailed in the past; so I'm glad that people like you are around.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    The same principle would also apply to senatorial apportioning. Wyoming with 580,000 people has the same power in the Senate as California does with almost 40 million people.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: I doubt that people here care; the "will of the people" has spoken; and these are the present "rules"; I've not heard from anyone to change these rules; neither the "antique" Constitution. Sorry this is an corrupt very strange country and does not want to copy on how other civilized countries vote and count their votes. It always has to be different here, you should know that. Sorry this is and stays an arrogant "island" and now an "banana republic" and shortly run by the Trump mafia, so be proud of that.
    Plenty of people have called for the abolition of the Electoral College. The biggest obstacle is that it would require a Constitutional Amendment to make it a reality.
    Last night they gave an extensive "lecture" (MSNBC) about the Electoral College. They said you don't need an Amendment, because it seems that 13 States already changed that into: The College in those States always have to elect the person who has the "popular" votes country wide. He said, thus if more States adapt that rule, then you don't need an Amemdment
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    Dutch Wrote: Last night they gave an extensive "lecture" (MSNBC) about the Electoral College. They said you don't need an Amendment, because it seems that 13 States already changed that into: The College in those States always have to elect the person who has the "popular" votes country wide. He said, thus if more States adapt that rule, then you don't need an Amemdment

    It's actually a little confusing.

    It's true that every state has the ability to choose how their Electors are supposed to vote, but it will still take a Constitutional Amendment to completely do away with the Electoral College. That's because Article II, Section I of the Constitution explicitly states that the Electoral College chooses the President.

    It's a promising sign that some states are starting to take a harder look at how their electors are supposed to vote, but we still have a long way to go before we ever truly allow the people to decide who their President is.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Last night they gave an extensive "lecture" (MSNBC) about the Electoral College. They said you don't need an Amendment, because it seems that 13 States already changed that into: The College in those States always have to elect the person who has the "popular" votes country wide. He said, thus if more States adapt that rule, then you don't need an Amemdment

    It's actually a little confusing.

    It's true that every state has the ability to choose how their Electors are supposed to vote, but it will still take a Constitutional Amendment to completely do away with the Electoral College. That's because Article II, Section I of the Constitution explicitly states that the Electoral College chooses the President.

    It's a promising sign that some states are starting to take a harder look at how their electors are supposed to vote, but we still have a long way to go before we ever truly allow the people to decide who their President is.

    Yes Jared, you are right. I hope you finally admit that this country refuses to accept that it is "weird" compared to common sense used all over the world to elect people or have decent health care or infrastructure or gun laws compared to other civilized countries. Indeed we deserve what we elect. All the things you said would happen are gone now; everything is now in the hands of an Hitler figure who no one trusts with "nukes". He will say lets "nuke" something and an hour later says no we should not, but then the damage is done and we are all dead. I hope you saw Bill Maher last night; he was right on about this country. Sorry Jared the picture is looking horrible if you see who he is gathering around him. Let alone his business will flourish so he can become a multi, multi billionaire while in office. Indeed just because "antique "rules run this country and even new laws are crazy here as well; just look at the useless "texting" law behind the wheel here in FL, crazy.

    I hope you finally come to your senses about what is wrong with this country.

    I advise your fiancee to hoard boxes full of birth control pills, because shortly they are no longer allowed in this backwards country. As "Eternal" would have written; the J.B.Society has taken over.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    The electoral college concept is the same as senatorial apportionment. It is an attempt to deliver democracy to the states. An attempt to give each state an equal voice in government. Six states compromise the majority of the population. If democracy was removed from states and turned over to population then six states would control and determine the Destiny for all the states. Obvious solutions do away with thoughtful solutions.
  • Independent
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: The electoral college concept is the same as senatorial apportionment. It is an attempt to deliver democracy to the states. An attempt to give each state an equal voice in government. Six states compromise the majority of the population. If democracy was removed from states and turned over to population then six states would control and determine the Destiny for all the states. Obvious solutions do away with thoughtful solutions.
    No, Chet get rid of it and act as the rest of the world does; just count votes and no sidelines. The one with the most votes wins. Amen
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    That would be democracy. But the resistance will come from the Senators. Senators are not representative of democracy. Two Senators can represent 40 million people like in California or like 550,000 people in Wyoming. Challenging the electoral college also challenges Senate repesentation. I see total opposition from Senators by disposing with a system that is directly representative of senatorial apportionment.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    It would give control of future elections to six states.
  • Center Left
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    Does your vote count ? Barely. If we had no system and this (electoral) system was suggested, it would be rejected. Funny video about your vote.

    youtu.be/nhnNCO9ybXU