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Is the system rigged?

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    I suppose one way to streamline the system might be a form of voter photo ID,or perhaps a better system of purging the voter rolls of voters that either moved away or died. Eliminate political poll taking as there is now some claim of poll taking selectiveness devised to skew the results .
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    johnnycee Wrote: I suppose one way to streamline the system might be a form of voter photo ID,or perhaps a better system of purging the voter rolls of voters that either moved away or died. Eliminate political poll taking as there is now some claim of poll taking selectiveness devised to skew the results .

    That is a terrifying proposal.

    The Constitution says absolutely nothing about having to have a picture ID in order to vote. Millions of older black Americans born during the Jim Crow era don't have a birth certificate, so they can't obtain an identification card in many states. That's because the Jim Crow south didn't allow black people to get berth certificates.


    And people who moved to another state aren't going to vote in the state they used to live in. In person voter fraud is non-existent. Do you honestly believe that someone who first registered to vote in Indiana but moved to Arizona later in their life will vote in Arizona and then take the red eye to Indiana so they can vote twice?

    Seriously man. Get a grip and stop falling prey to right-wing conspiracy theories.

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    Actually we moved Ohio/Florida. I registered to vote here. I got a letter from the attorney General in Ohio stating we were registered in more than one place. They sent me a form to sign and send back. I assumed if I didn't attempt to vote in Ohio it would be a non issue. Luckily it was addressed and form sent back. So no problem in the sunshine state.

    I agree the voter I'D screams of voter suppression. I am sickened that in 2016 sick individuals are trying to arrange that garbage.

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    There has been instances of some people voting in one county and by the time the next election cycle rolled around they moved to another county, registered and the the fact the purging system is so slow that in my county, the process takes sometimes up to three years , so he was able to vote in both counties, again the question was posed of how to streamline the system and that was just one of my suggestions , I know what the Constitution says or in this case doesn't say, nothing was referenced to the Jim Crow Laws except by you, a "Red Herring" maybe, you should get a grip and try to accept reality, there is voter fraud but it is just not wide spread, so instead of questioning a suggestion why not offer a idea or two of your own on how to streamline the system
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    johnnycee Wrote: There has been instances of some people voting in one county and by the time the next election cycle rolled around they moved to another county, registered and the the fact the purging system is so slow that in my county, the process takes sometimes up to three years , so he was able to vote in both counties,

    For starters, this discussion is about a rigged system. Nonexistent voter fraud is an entirely different subject.

    However, your example is absurd. Purging voter rolls is a tried and true method of Republican governors and legislators that want to depress the vote. The courts have consistently ruled that they do far more harm than good. And the courts have also pointed out how often these voting purges disproportionally affect minorities. That's why judges in state after state are ordering that voting purges be halted.

    johnnycee Wrote: again the question was posed of how to streamline the system and that was just one of my suggestions , I know what the Constitution says or in this case doesn't say, nothing was referenced to the Jim Crow Laws except by you, a "Red Herring" maybe,

    I referenced Jim Crow because many African Americans born in the Jim Crow south don't have birth certificates, which in turn make it extremely difficult for them to get an identification card to begin with. That and unless the national Voter ID you want is free then it is a form of a poll tax, which is in violation of the Twenty-Forth Amendment.

    I also feel the need to encourage you to study up on your English language skills because you really have zero idea what a red herring is. TJ brought up the question about streamlining the system, you responded with a batshit crazy proposal, and I responded to your batshit crazy proposal with some actual facts.

    johnnycee Wrote: you should get a grip and try to accept reality, there is voter fraud but it is just not wide spread, so instead of questioning a suggestion why not offer a idea or two of your own on how to streamline the system

    And maybe you should study the countless peer reviewed papers written by academics who say there isn't widespread voter fraud. I tend to trust people who know what they are talking about more than just regurgitating everything Fox "News" says.

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    You should really try and read all of what's posted, I posted that there is not wide spread voter fraud, also there was no need to reference Jim Crow Laws because that was not the topic, by you bringing in an entirely different context "Jim Crow", you have tried to divert the topic to another theme, I as an Election Judge have seen these types of abuses and duly reported them to our Election Commission, purging is not effective unless there is a way to cross reference new registers and those that died from any old ballot books, but the system is to bogged down in old archaic voting methods, from paper ballots to various types of electronic voting machines,also a family with whom I was very friendly with moved away but stayed on the ballot books for almost 5 years, even though I personally contacted the Commission each cycle including Primaries to have them removed, also one of the family members died and he also was kept on the rolls, so don't try and claim that there isn't any fraud because there is, only ,pay attention here, there isn't any widespread fraud.
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    Matthew Dowd today on GMA screws up analogy about polls, thermometers and thermostats. Dowd said there are thermometers and thermostats. Thermometers tell the temperature in a room and thermostats change the temperature in a room. He then says polls are like thermostats.

    Sorry Matthew, you should leave scientific analogies to Mr. Wizzard. "Wrong Matthew, polls are like thermometers.""

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    johnnycee Wrote: You should really try and read all of what's posted, I posted that there is not wide spread voter fraud, also there was no need to reference Jim Crow Laws because that was not the topic, by you bringing in an entirely different context "Jim Crow", you have tried to divert the topic to another theme,

    Jim Crow is absolutely relevant to bring up in order to show the absurdity of your proposal because many black people born in the Jim Crow era lack the credentials they would need in order to obtain this theoretical voter ID you want. I also pointed out that this theoretical ID would have to be free or it would be in violation of the 24th Amendment.

    Homeless people are Constitutionally able to vote. People born in the Jim Crow south who lack a birth certificate are Constitutionally able to vote. It seems like you want to make it harder for people to exercise their fundamental right to vote.

    Republicans win when the vote is depressed. That is why people like you want to make it as hard as possible to vote. That way your team can always win. I call it cheating, but your team likes to call it "preventing voter fraud."

    johnnycee Wrote: I as an Election Judge have seen these types of abuses and duly reported them to our Election Commission, purging is not effective unless there is a way to cross reference new registers and those that died from any old ballot books, but the system is to bogged down in old archaic voting methods, from paper ballots to various types of electronic voting machines,also a family with whom I was very friendly with moved away but stayed on the ballot books for almost 5 years, even though I personally contacted the Commission each cycle including Primaries to have them removed, also one of the family members died and he also was kept on the rolls, so don't try and claim that there isn't any fraud because there is, only ,pay attention here, there isn't any widespread fraud.

    What abuses have you seen? Have you personally caught someone trying to commit in person voter fraud red handed? Have you personally caught someone trying to vote impersonating someone who is already deceased?

    Your election commission doesn't return your calls because they have bigger issues to deal with than purging voter rolls every time an election judge calls them. You know - like making sure anyone who is eligible to vote is able to without fear that people like you will try to prevent them from doing so.


    Election fraud is nonexistent. Period. End of Sentence. I know facts are impossible for you to accept, but the great thing about facts is that they are just that. Facts.

    Now let's please get back to the actual topic of this thread.

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    Yes I have and if you had read my post you would have read that I had notified the Commission who has the duty to further investigate the alleged violation, mind you they did not vote as I had prevented that, but there is fraud abet mostly on a local scale. And is not the topic about "Rigging the Election," then what better way to rig an election then by voter fraud,so I am on topic.
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    A better way to rig is to make it more difficult or impossible for some to vote. Disenfranchised. A systemic method employed by bigoted white men where they felt their white privilege was slipping away. Stop me when you feel this is all too familiar.
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    In 1993 in Pa.'s 2nd Senatorial District, it was found by Federal Judge Clarence newcomer that the election for Senator was rigged, and removed the then elected Senator from office and placed Bruce S Marks as Senator., we also had another State Senator larry Farness, who succeeded Sen Vince Fumo who was convicted and sent to Fed Pen for 4 years for improper use of his office for political purposes, was himself indicted for attempting to rig a Ward election, not withstanding the 1946 incident in Tenna.complely blows your contention of no rigged eletions ,no exceptions conclusion, however all of these incidents were local elections which proves my point that there is no wide spread systematic use of Voter fraud.