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lonely bird Wrote: You miss the point. The systems were virtually the same. The changes while not cosmetic were not significant to make the claim the CSA wasn't a democratic republic because it was. The Republican Party of today wants to destroy government, period. The confederacy wanted a democratic republican government that allowed for the ownership of human beings by other human beings. I will grant that the end result was both more highly centralized and at the same time had issues like the articles of confederation. That was due to the extreme fallacy of states' rights and attempting to form a country through insurrection. Both failed miserably but it doesn't change the fact that csa was a democratic republic.
I think you're missing the point, as well. We are talking about whether or not the system is rigged and then it quickly devolved into a debate as to whether or not we are as polarized as we've ever been. My first response was to Dutch saying that there have been multiple times in our nations short history where we have been more polarized than we currently are.
Then I responded to Tony and said that Democracy has always been messy and that the echo chamber of the internet allows us to block out any opposing viewpoints.
I'm more than happy to engage in a debate with you about American history and the various degrees of polarization we have had throughout the two plus centuries we've been a republic, but that is for an entirely different thread.
The question at hand is "Is the system rigged?" and I just don't believe it is.
The definition of rig[ged] is: [to] manage or conduct (something) fraudulently so as to produce a result or situation that is advantageous to a particular person.
I know it drives Dutch nuts, but I am someone who actually cares about definitions and facts. (I am a little confused as to why that is a bad thing, but that's for another time.) So if you actually take the definition of rigged literally then you should be able to come to the conclusion that no, our elections are not rigged.
People vote. Sometimes we like the result and sometimes we don't. That doesn't mean the system is rigged; it means that the system is working exactly the way it's intended to.