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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Robert Reich on his Facebook page has made the case for a universal basic income.

    RobertReich.org

    What I like about his presentation is that he is looking into the future when machines do most of the work. Employees become more and more obsolete. His proposal is to recirculate the profits from the machine owners into the populace so everyone has money to spend.

    Watch his video. Make sense?

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Robert Reich is the man. Not onlysdoes it make sense, it is inevitable As Carlitos can be quoted sayning that the government is the employer of last resort. But there is an alternative much more palpable than a straightfoward distribution of wealth. I'll bet it can be found in Reich's writings.
  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Robert Reich on his Facebook page has made the case for a universal basic income.

    RobertReich.org

    What I like about his presentation is that he is looking into the future when machines do most of the work. Employees become more and more obsolete. His proposal is to recirculate the profits from the machine owners into the populace so everyone has money to spend.

    Watch his video. Make sense?

    Schmidt; as long as people here are not educated about "cause and effect" then they will keep thinking as any Republican.

    They will never accept any "social" structure and distribution of wealth. My feeling is as Reich points out that such eventually will lead to more social unrest than ever; the rich will become richer and the lower classes poorer and poorer.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I hold Robert Reich in the highest regard. His proposal is on the right track. He has simply chosen the lesser of two adversaries to start his statement. The fight he is avoiding and I don't blame him is with the owners. He is jabbing to soften up and make an in road for somebody who has nothing to lose to travel down. An institution that is ongoing like a real economy needs to produce a product for sale. In that sense the path of money is circular and money is used for what it was intended to do. Our financial system is being run like an event that is won with the highest score which is the largest amount of money. In that situation the path of money is linear and travel stops at the end. The winner has all the money and what is left is misery. That is not an economy.
  • Strongly Liberal
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    What do people need ? They need food. They need shelter . They need medical attention. Three basic needs.

    The book , on Walden Pond is about the basic needs of a man. A house and food. Basic comforts. Some companionship . Time for other interests. Time to learn new things. Time to play. Artisans should be free to create. The artisan is the most important person because the artisan teaches us about ourselves. In a capitalist world people cannot thrive. Artisans cannot create. We can't get peace in our lives. We are constantly working to get money to live and we never take time to just live. We don't know how. We put tremendous pressure on our children to all adhere to the exact same program. The things they learn are perversions. Lies. They are learning to follow the rules. Learning to be sheep. Along the way , they learn to compete bug not how to respect one another. our society is sick. There are so many police that people think it's normal to live in a police state. They expect police to watch them. They expect police to check in them. When a person is bullied or arrested they think it's normal. Normal to be arrested for possessing a plant. Incarcerated for having a bad day. To be the victim of a gun shot is normal in America. That is perverted. It's normal for rich people to get away with anything and poor people to expect to be arrested and charged . It's now normal to be in the system. So when they arrest you they already have a dossier on you. That is not freedom. It's slavery.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    This is a Democracy and there are problems. This is capitalism and there are problems. There is nothing inherently wrong with the systems. It is what we let them turn into that is the problem. There are many retired union and service people living good lives provided by unions keeping capitalism fair. The problem comes after people have been doing well and the self serving conservatives convince people they would have it even better without the unions. The answer apparently is there is no solution. It's hard to value soldiers when there is no fighting. Things get good and people shun the benefits of organising and things get bad. The ultra right has taught that expendable is a way of life to riches. The basics of organising labor for the common good needs to be a subject taught in school. Instead our kids are taught winner take all from the very beginning. Scholarships and valledictorians is the start of kids being taught that winner take all is the way of life. Jack Nicholson paraphrased it with "you can't handle the truth".

    You Can't Handle the Truth! - A Few Good Men (7/8) Movie CLIP (1992 ...

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Maindawg Wrote:

    What do people need ? They need food. They need shelter . They need medical attention. Three basic needs.

    The book , on Walden Pond is about the basic needs of a man. A house and food. Basic comforts. Some companionship . Time for other interests. Time to learn new things. Time to play. Artisans should be free to create. The artisan is the most important person because the artisan teaches us about ourselves. In a capitalist world people cannot thrive. Artisans cannot create. We can't get peace in our lives. We are constantly working to get money to live and we never take time to just live. We don't know how. We put tremendous pressure on our children to all adhere to the exact same program. The things they learn are perversions. Lies. They are learning to follow the rules. Learning to be sheep. Along the way , they learn to compete bug not how to respect one another. our society is sick. There are so many police that people think it's normal to live in a police state. They expect police to watch them. They expect police to check in them. When a person is bullied or arrested they think it's normal. Normal to be arrested for possessing a plant. Incarcerated for having a bad day. To be the victim of a gun shot is normal in America. That is perverted. It's normal for rich people to get away with anything and poor people to expect to be arrested and charged . It's now normal to be in the system. So when they arrest you they already have a dossier on you. That is not freedom. It's slavery.

    Maindog -- Excellent points. Before I retired it seemed our lives were so consumed with work, home chores, kids activities, etc. that we had so little time to just do leisure reading or thinking about the world...or what our worldviews really are. Now with smart phones, workers seem to be connected to their jobs 24/7 so the situation is even worse than when I was working.

    We live in our own bubbles and can be oblivious to what is happening in the rest of the world around us. In a sense our minds are enslaved to the new norms in society. Life in suburbia learning to be sheep as you put it...the dumbing down of America.

    However, I am encouraged that Trump's presidency has awakened many people who before were content to live in their bubbles. It's good to see them marching and protesting and organizing at the grass roots level for the next election. I just hope it can be sustained and is not too little too late.

  • Strongly Liberal
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    On one hand it seems like people made finally waking up to learn that their America is gone. I worry that these republicans will do so much damage that in four years the democrats will be installed into a mess that cannot be fixed. So after this shitshow we will then ndure a deep recesion . So tired of endless drama.

    Meanwhile real people with real health issues exist. The live right among us. The republicans complain that our poor are rich by comparison. They all have TV's ,refrigerators, etc. That is because they live among the rest of us. How can this man have so much and that one have nothing? They worry that poor people leaching off the system. It is a silly cruel argument. Poor people are poor for different reasons. I watched a you tube video about a tent city in New Jersey. These are people who could function but the world never stops . It never gives us a break. Rich people must breaks poor people do not. Every day is about survival. That is not fair.

    A person should be able to live their life how they see fit. No one has the right to judge. The person born into wealth has an advantage and the person born into poverty often never has a chance to even consider how they would like to live. They must work to survive. It's mentally difficult to live to get by. You seem the difference ?

    I have dreamed about planned communities where people like my friends could have a better life. I have watched so many people struggle. Than live with the stigma of poverty. We have a very wealthy upper class and a very poor lower class. People who work and pay taxes have a right to question where their money goes. They should understand it's the rich who are the parasites. Not the poor.

  • Independent
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    Maindawg Wrote:

    On one hand it seems like people made finally waking up to learn that their America is gone. I worry that these republicans will do so much damage that in four years the democrats will be installed into a mess that cannot be fixed. So after this shitshow we will then ndure a deep recesion . So tired of endless drama.

    Meanwhile real people with real health issues exist. The live right among us. The republicans complain that our poor are rich by comparison. They all have TV's ,refrigerators, etc. That is because they live among the rest of us. How can this man have so much and that one have nothing? They worry that poor people leaching off the system. It is a silly cruel argument. Poor people are poor for different reasons. I watched a you tube video about a tent city in New Jersey. These are people who could function but the world never stops . It never gives us a break. Rich people must breaks poor people do not. Every day is about survival. That is not fair.

    A person should be able to live their life how they see fit. No one has the right to judge. The person born into wealth has an advantage and the person born into poverty often never has a chance to even consider how they would like to live. They must work to survive. It's mentally difficult to live to get by. You seem the difference ?

    I have dreamed about planned communities where people like my friends could have a better life. I have watched so many people struggle. Than live with the stigma of poverty. We have a very wealthy upper class and a very poor lower class. People who work and pay taxes have a right to question where their money goes. They should understand it's the rich who are the parasites. Not the poor.

    Yes the "rich" are the parasites. Why? because this country has made tax laws which makes them only richer. Trump barely did pay any taxes. Bill gates has 84 billion saved up; sure he has an "fund" for helping communities in Africa; of course tax deductable. Just one question,why do you need 84 billion; does that make you happy? Can you spent this at all? Where do you need it for??? At least in Europe the sliding tax scale makes sure that such money can be recirculated into the society via government projects. France's scale is for a person like Bill Gates is 75%. That is the way it should be here. No loop holes either like here.
  • Center Left
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    Meme from Democracy today contained the following:

    In one year, the average American taxpayer making $50,000.00 a year pays:

    36.00 towards Food stamps.

    6.00 for other safety net programs.

    670.00 for corporate subsidies.

    1,600.00 to offset corporate tax loopholes.

    1231.00 to offset loses from overseas tax havens.

    We can afford to help the poor. Not corporate welfare.

    **** good messages never reach the deplorable's

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch said:

    "Yes the "rich" are the parasites. Why? because this country has made tax laws which makes them only richer. Trump barely did pay any taxes. Bill gates has 84 billion saved up; sure he has an "fund" for helping communities in Africa; of course tax deductable. Just one question,why do you need 84 billion; does that make you happy? Can you spent this at all? Where do you need it for??? At least in Europe the sliding tax scale makes sure that such money can be recirculated into the society via government projects. France's scale is for a person like Bill Gates is 75%. That is the way it should be here. No loop holes either like here"

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    Dutch said it all. Money like a river through a valley should not be allowed to be dammed up, hoarded and stagnated. Use it or lose it.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    30 plus years of right wing talk stars idolizing selfishness and self interest have and are destroying the fundamentals of society. " United We Stand" is totally meaningless. People have no time to understand complexities of cooperative living. The most incredible thing to me is that the most important lessons in economics and living are also the number one past times and entertainment but nothing is learned from them. The most expensive spectator sports and activities thrive because they understand how to turn events into institutions. If not for strict rules and regulations there would not be any spectator sports. They understand how to keep activities alive . Strict rules and regulations. Keep everything fair and on a level playing field. By turning significant events into institutions. Apply those same ideas to business and products would be made to sell for profit that would be reinvested for better cheaper products and more wages and income tax revenue and on. But the right wing talk stars have totally disguised the cooperative effort that make mega sports and activities successful.
  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    However, I am encouraged that Trump's presidency has awakened many people who before were content to live in their bubbles. It's good to see them marching and protesting and organizing at the grass roots level for the next election. I just hope it can be sustained and is not too little too late.

    Yes, and notice how quickly people were to respond. There wasn't a period where he was allowed to increment many of his policies from bad, to really bad, to its too late to do anything. It shows that Americans aren't complaisant, and collectively able to respond to how dangerous he could become if left unchecked. During WWII, German Jews didn't immediately go from their middle class homes to the gas chambers, it started with a small process of requiring Jews to register (what's the big deal, right?), while the majority of Germans looked the other way... We are not head down that road, but that doesn't mean many innocent people won't be ruined because of his policies that are rooted in unfair self-serving biases.