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The real reason Hillary Clinton is disliked


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    Chet -- Any community that has been devastated for whatever reason can in fact revitalize itself. There are thousands of them across America. However, to attract new businesses to the area you first need to make it an attractive place to live. Hillary has outlined all the things from infrastructure, schools, education and more that the community needs to attract business. Then she finishes up with this:

    "Attract private investment through an improved New Markets Tax Credit and zero capital gains taxes. Complementing the public investments in infrastructure, land, energy, and innovation described above, Clinton will attract new private investment by extending and expanding the New Markets Tax Credit (NMTC) program so all communities suffering from a decline in coal production or a coal plant closure qualify. The NMTC program has steered billions in investment to low income neighborhoods since it began in 2000. Clinton will also offer companies a chance to eliminate capital gains taxes on long-term investments in hard-hit coal communities."

    I really do not know what more she can offer. Those who choose to stay in coal country need to take pride and ownership in their communities. She is offering a helping hand from the federal government so they can get jump started. It is not easy. If on the other hand they slap down that hand and instead put all their faith in one Donald Trump to "make coal country great again" although he has offered NO PLAN...just empty promises to bring back coal, then I suppose yes, they are destined to continue their decline into poverty. You cannot help people out of poverty who will not help themselves.

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    Here's more from Hillary's website:

    "Every coal community is different and successful economic diversification and revitalization must be locally driven and comprehensive in scope. Promising community-based initiatives have begun to take shape, including SOAR in Southeastern Kentucky and Reconnect McDowell in West Virginia. Unfortunately most existing federal economic development programs available to coal communities are complex, fragmented, and overly prescriptive. Those that are the most successful, like the Appalachian Regional Commission (ARC), are severely underfunded. Clinton will improve coordination across existing federal programs and establish a Coal Communities Challenge Fund that awards new competitive grants..."

    So some of it has been initiated already under President Obama, but Republicans in Congress have been stingy with funds. What has been accomplished has been done on a piecemeal basis. Hillary recognizes the problems with current programs and is proposing solutions, many of them suggested by local leaders to her when she made her "listening tour" that the media seemed to miss.

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    This actually has nothing to do with Hillary. I have no problem with the plan. The problem lies elsewhere. It lies in several places. The first is that you will not stop coal from being mined if democrats cannot gain control of congress or impress enough of the few remaining moderate republicans to support her. The next problem lies in that we do not know how many decking cities and towns can be revitalized. We also do not know what form revitalization will take. We also note that tj's example is flawed in that changing careers does not mean maintaining income. We know that wages have stagnated and that productivity gains have gone upwards in distribution. Capital may or may not follow Hillary's plans. While the plan is commendable we cannot foresee the end result.
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    The problem with all of Hillary Clinton's plans is that none of them will take off if Republicans sabotage her presidency like they tried to with Obama's. Furthermore, there is no guarantee of success. The revitalization of any community requires the commitment and innovative ideas of the citizens. Each of the towns will be what the citizens want them to be. All Clinton is doing is offering them help to do what they want to do for themselves, but do not necessarily have the know how or resources. Some of the projects have started and sputtered...they just need help, whether it be people with the necessary skills or financial resources.

    So yes it has less to do with Hillary than the people themselves.

    Regarding coal mining, it has been in a steady decline for decades as the mining companies have to go deeper and deeper for poorer quality and higher cost coal. The final demise will come not so much from Climate Change initiatives and EPA regulations, but rather market conditions. Cheap supplies of natural gas as well as wind and solar will eventually drive coal out of existence.

    Christine Todd Whitman, who was EPA administrator during President George W. Bush’s first term said federal regulations aren’t the only reasons coal plants close, “You’ll find nine times out of 10 it is economics." However, when a company announces a shutdown of a coal plant, it’s “better to say you’re closing down because the government made me do it.” Yeah, make the government the scapegoat. That's not leadership.

    Across America there are old mining towns and old oil towns and old lumber towns that have seen better days and the only thing barely sustaining them is the retirement incomes of those who chose to stay. The young people so badly needed to revitalize the communities have moved on and in most cases changed careers. On the other hand, there are many more towns that have been revitalized...perhaps much smaller than in their boom days, but nevertheless a good place to live. In my retirement I have driven through many of them. Nice towns off the beaten path.

    Coal country communities can decide what course of action they can take. They can put false hope into "making coal great again" and wither on the vine. Or they can stop hating our government and focus on what is needed to keep their communities going. Trump has done them an enormous disservice by playing the blame game (which drives the hate) and giving them false hope.

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    Schmidt, said:

    "Any community that has been devastated for whatever reason can in fact revitalize itself."

    Schmidt, You keep blatantly ignoring the special conditions in the areas mentioned in the plan. No need to talk around it anymore.

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    Go to YouTube and search "Tail of the Dragon". Watch one of the videos and then decide what kind of business would or could build there.
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    Lonely, I know that in bad times you don't always get an equal exchange. Making seventy five percent of what you used to make isn't ideal but if you were in what's hopefully a dying industry and you are now making enough to pay rent and buy groceries.... well that's a good idea. You can move forward and stop whining about that crazy democratic woman who's out to ruin your lives. I tried to suggest there are ways to move forward. I'm sure slave haulers in 1866 weren't thrilled about Lincoln and they needed to consider their options as well. No pity for those who polluted horribly and now have to do it less. They're people who can rebound if they can agree they need to do so.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Schmidt, said:

    "Any community that has been devastated for whatever reason can in fact revitalize itself."

    Schmidt, You keep blatantly ignoring the special conditions in the areas mentioned in the plan. No need to talk around it anymore.

    Again I point to Europe; they closed the coal mines in Limburg when I was still at school; closing those was an well planned study and enough money was injected by the government to retrain these people and they also took care of the social side of the life there as well all the lung issues etc. of the miners and families. It was an smooth transaction and no complaints from the towns or people. I've got the feeling that here the "capitalistic" structure prevents such plans. Money is the only thing what counts with Republicans, not the health or welfare of the people or the environment.
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    Dutch, The financiers have turned the economy into an event instead of an institution. Everything that makes jobs and provides incomes has been demonized by the financiers. They want only the cheapest fastest easiest way to take money out of the system. Money in the economy is like a river flowing through a valley. Cut off the water flow and the valley dies. Cut off the money flow and the economy dies. The government prints, manages and protects money. The government is neglecting the management duty. The government needs to manage money like a resource. If a person dams a naturally flowing stream or river they would be in jail before nightfall. The government needs to destroy the money dam and get money flowing through the economy. Mark Cuban is a big fan of damming money. He says the only way for a business to attain big money is to go public. Damming up more money.
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    The subject was: "The reason Hillary is disliked"

    My answer is as follows: This week during a rally she praised the Wasserman woman again over her fantastic help.

    What an mistake. Sorry the DNC management is the old established one, which only caters to the insiders like Hillary. Due to the "hacking" the Wasserman woman was deposed of, but the remainder of the DNC leadership stayed in place and made sure no new "blood" would soil their cozy club. If Bernie would have been treated the same as Hillary and made a "change' in the DNC, may be he would have won and would have been an much more likable candidate without baggage as is the case with Hillary. Indeed there is some truth that in the last 30 years the DNC has been asleep. People want change; Hillary with her background does not offer such according to plenty of people. Especially if she will use the "old" established Washington insiders, advisers and war hawks. Praising he Wasserman woman makes it obvious on how she got in the "saddle"

    I hope the above gives an good idea why people don't like her. As I said before I'm independent and look at it from both sides; thus for the Hillary lovers, accept facts for an change.

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    I agree Dutch.

    Topic involves Clinton being a woman. About 1 percent of replies mention that. Too close to home for 70 pct on this site ?

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    TJ Wrote:

    I agree Dutch.

    Topic involves Clinton being a woman. About 1 percent of replies mention that. Too close to home for 70 pct on this site ?

    Thanks Tony, I appreciate that. About her being an woman; even if it was an "turkey" and could do such job properly I would vote for it.
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    I will certainly acknowledge that Hillary Clinton is not very popular in coal country...or maybe the more appropriate word is "hated".

    Coal country? - she isn't popular anywhere. Perhaps 35 percent of the country admires her and two thirds dislike her. Lets be honest here SHE LOST TO DONALD F*ING TRUMP!! Think about that, Donald Trump. My god think about what she went through over a few hours. She thought she was going to be the first female president but instead she will go down in history as losing to a reality TV show host. Talk about going from the penthouse to the outhouse in a few hours.
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    VTDan Wrote: Coal country? - she isn't popular anywhere. Perhaps 35 percent of the country admires her and two thirds dislike her. Lets be honest here SHE LOST TO DONALD F*ING TRUMP!! Think about that, Donald Trump. My god think about what she went through over a few hours. She thought she was going to be the first female president but instead she will go down in history as losing to a reality TV show host. Talk about going from the penthouse to the outhouse in a few hours.
    Well - she did get over a million more votes than the Donald, but our arcane electoral system decided that she still "lost" the election.
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    Okay, I will say it. F!!!!! The F'ing coal miners. They made a living digging Poison from below ground so rich persons could make a profit while the dirt poor could remain just that. Get it ? Good. Well the market for Poison coal is drying up. Who cares ? Only those dirt poor folks and the occasional politicians who realize they still have a vote until black lung kills them. It is a sick pitiful story and damned few give 1/2 of a damn. That is the real story. Profits are gone. They aren't California so they don't deliver a presidency. They're a measly piece in a 500 piece puzzle. Understand that. Accept it. Deal with it. The real and hard truth. Stick a huge bow on it if you want but any way you dress up the piece of crap...... it is the same piece of crap with a bow now. End of story.