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Party Trucks aid turn out in Latin America, they could here as well.

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  • Democrat
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    Hi All

    I have been brainstorming about what we can do to get more poor folks out to vote in this election.

    I understand why Trump's supporters are voting for him; in general, I don't think many of them are people that make their decisions based on reason, so fear and hate are all they need to make a decision. But what I don't understand is why the people that will be impacted hardest by a Trump presidency aren't turning out in droves to stop it, or how we can a higher election turnout to keep the world safe from Trump.

    I was talking with my father who has traveled all over Latin America and he mentioned that what they have traditionally done in many of the poorer countries is that poor communities will throw “voting parties” on party buses to take folks out to the polls. This method is very effective for them.

    I suggest that poor communities members start throwing these parties for their friends and neighbors. Domestic party truck companies should also start offing voting day specials. That would be great publicity for party truck vendors and would drum up a lot of business. Going 1 step further, folks in the US could start some nonprofits to fund party buses to take people to the polls.

    Every vote will matter this election, poor folks turning out will likely make the difference.

    I do not know how to promote this idea, but I find it a very interesting prospect so I wanted to share it with the community in case others find it interesting as well and have some idea about how to promote it.

    All the best.


    Tempest
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Some good thoughts on getting out the vote...but for which candidate?

    Here's a quote from Thomas Frank's book, What's the Matter With Kansas?

    "The poorest county in America isn't in Appalachia or the Deep South. It is on the Great Plains, a region of struggling ranchers and dying farm towns, and in the election of 2000 the Republican candidate for president, George W. Bush, carried it by a majority of greater than 80 percent."

    Chet will tell you why this is true not only in 2000 but also in 2016. And it applies to not only Kansas but the rust belt and coal country. Obama alluded to it in his "God and guns" remark that made headlines.

    The problem that seems almost unsolvable is how to change these people's worldviews so that they look at their own economic interests rather than riding the coat tails of a pseudo business man like Trump and his false promises.

  • Democrat
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    Very strong points Schmidt. I agree, this sort of tactic could work for either candidate. In posting it here instead of a more neutral forum I hope the idea will reach it's intended destination.

    As for your comment:

    "The problem that seems almost unsolvable is how to change these people's worldviews so that they look at their own economic interests rather than riding the coat tails of a pseudo business man like Trump and his false promises."

    I am still coming up short on ideas for this one, I am beginning to think many of them may be unreachable.

    All the best

    Tempest

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I have heard people that get food stamps repeat that government is the problem. I know a guy discharged from the army because of an injury collecting disability speak with a right wingattitude about entitlements. People are poor for a lot of reasons none of which will make them vote for their own best interest but most of which will let them resonate subjectively with a popular catch phrase. Being poor does not empower special objectivity. This election is emotional and the only way to get people on a bus to vote a certain way would be illegal.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    No matter what Trump says the very first thing he said was that he would not raise the minimum wage and he would keep wages low so US workers would be competitive. So who is he going to make America Great for. None of his supporters. He could win the election because people aren't paying attention to his not raising wages. That affects all the poor people so you would think he would be laughed out of the race by now. This is not an objective race, it is emotional on Trump's side. Democracy says nothing about objectivity.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    tempestvteapot Wrote:

    Very strong points Schmidt. I agree, this sort of tactic could work for either candidate. In posting it here instead of a more neutral forum I hope the idea will reach it's intended destination.

    As for your comment:

    "The problem that seems almost unsolvable is how to change these people's worldviews so that they look at their own economic interests rather than riding the coat tails of a pseudo business man like Trump and his false promises."

    I am still coming up short on ideas for this one, I am beginning to think many of them may be unreachable.

    All the best

    Tempest

    Tempestvteapot -- First thanks for coming on the Democratic Hub and sharing your views. We always appreciate newcomers, and hope you'll find some reasons to stay.

    Hillary Clinton cannot win these people over with a debate performance or by anything she says on the campaign. The only way is to win the election and then slowly chip away at their bias towards her. That also will be difficult when you have the right wing of the media and indeed much of the mainstream media continually attacking her and second guessing her.

    The Republicans (the Party of No) had a very successful strategy during the almost eight years of the Obama administration. Obama inherited the Great Recession in which 8.7 million jobs were lost. Their strategy was simply to oppose all of Obama's efforts to lift people up out of the recession...opposing especially everything related to jobs. In other words, keep people down and then blame Obama for their plight. Despite their efforts, we have created over 15 million private sector jobs, but that is still not enough to help many of those on the bottom. They have also opposed food stamps and other programs to help out those suffering the most.

    Then they claim all their misery is a result of the ineffectiveness of Obama's policies. The media jumps on board with that talking point.

    So Hillary Clinton has a difficult hill to climb in that regard if Republicans control both houses of Congress and continually sabotage and obstruct her initiatives like they did to Obama. She will have to continually call them out on that, something that Obama was reluctant to do in a big way, and tell them to call their Congressperson that they should vote for her measures...call them out by name, again and again. Make it the headline.

    She has some excellent proposals in her website that very few in the media seem to know much about...at least they never mention it. The Vox website is one of the exceptions. She has spent countless hours gathering facts and information on the ground in these rural poor areas, and has put her proposals on her website for scrutiny and critique. She is fine tuning them continually. However, with the media ignoring that aspect of her campaign, she has an uphill battle ahead of her. We'll see.

    Don't underestimate her...she's tough, very tough.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Here are more reasons that poor people vote not only Republican but conservative.

    Look at childbirth rate among teens. It is higher in lower incomes because income doesn't enter into the consideration of poor people having children. Poor people are almost vehemently against abortion. The rate of childbirth and pregnancies in poor people is 5 to7 times that of higher incomes.

    There are no liberal, progressive or objective radio programs that are successful or therefore available. I go into the warehouses of my suppliers and every one of them has Rush Limbaugh and other right wing talk stars propagandizing on the radio. The right wing talk stars resonate with the typically low paid workers. They have no counterpoint to listen to. Low income people despise people that get assistance that they can't qualify for. The right wing talk stars are typically the only exposure poor people get to "NEWS". They repeat what they hear like gospel.

    Poor people trust religion and most religions tend to be conservative. Don't complain, work hard and turn the other cheek will get you into heaven.

    Poor people spend a higher percentage of their income on gasoline and consequently bare a higher percentage share of clean air proposals. Conservatives blame low incomes on regulations and big government. Right wing appears to be the champion of the poor.

    Tobacco alienates poor people to government. A higher percentage of poor smoke and a higher percentage of their income goes to tobacco tax. What they here from the left is to quit smoking. What they hear from the right is government is restricting their freedoms.

    Once you remove objectivity from the analysis the reasons for the poor supporting conservatives are easy to see.

  • Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: No matter what Trump says the very first thing he said was that he would not raise the minimum wage and he would keep wages low so US workers would be competitive. So who is he going to make America Great for. None of his supporters. He could win the election because people aren't paying attention to his not raising wages. That affects all the poor people so you would think he would be laughed out of the race by now. This is not an objective race, it is emotional on Trump's side. Democracy says nothing about objectivity.

    The idea isn't to get people on a bus to vote a certain way. People can throw voting parties for their friends; party bus companies can offer election day discounts to everyone in their area, and regionally based non-profits could assist in the neighborhoods they please. As Schmidt pointed out already, this could be used by either side. No one would be adding an inherent restriction that the people on the bus have to vote a certain way. But my hope is that by posting it here the idea will get out to liberals as a way to mobilize voters.

    I hope that clarifies the idea.

    All the best

    Tempest

  • Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote:
    tempestvteapot Wrote:

    Very strong points Schmidt. I agree, this sort of tactic could work for either candidate. In posting it here instead of a more neutral forum I hope the idea will reach it's intended destination.

    As for your comment:

    "The problem that seems almost unsolvable is how to change these people's worldviews so that they look at their own economic interests rather than riding the coat tails of a pseudo business man like Trump and his false promises."

    I am still coming up short on ideas for this one, I am beginning to think many of them may be unreachable.

    All the best

    Tempest

    Tempestvteapot -- First thanks for coming on the Democratic Hub and sharing your views. We always appreciate newcomers, and hope you'll find some reasons to stay.

    Hillary Clinton cannot win these people over with a debate performance or by anything she says on the campaign. The only way is to win the election and then slowly chip away at their bias towards her. That also will be difficult when you have the right wing of the media and indeed much of the mainstream media continually attacking her and second guessing her.

    The Republicans (the Party of No) had a very successful strategy during the almost eight years of the Obama administration. Obama inherited the Great Recession in which 8.7 million jobs were lost. Their strategy was simply to oppose all of Obama's efforts to lift people up out of the recession...opposing especially everything related to jobs. In other words, keep people down and then blame Obama for their plight. Despite their efforts, we have created over 15 million private sector jobs, but that is still not enough to help many of those on the bottom. They have also opposed food stamps and other programs to help out those suffering the most.

    Then they claim all their misery is a result of the ineffectiveness of Obama's policies. The media jumps on board with that talking point.

    So Hillary Clinton has a difficult hill to climb in that regard if Republicans control both houses of Congress and continually sabotage and obstruct her initiatives like they did to Obama. She will have to continually call them out on that, something that Obama was reluctant to do in a big way, and tell them to call their Congressperson that they should vote for her measures...call them out by name, again and again. Make it the headline.

    She has some excellent proposals in her website that very few in the media seem to know much about...at least they never mention it. The Vox website is one of the exceptions. She has spent countless hours gathering facts and information on the ground in these rural poor areas, and has put her proposals on her website for scrutiny and critique. She is fine tuning them continually. However, with the media ignoring that aspect of her campaign, she has an uphill battle ahead of her. We'll see.

    Don't underestimate her...she's tough, very tough.

    Great points again.

    I do honestly have some hope for cooperation with a Clinton administration and the conservatives in Congress. The reason is that with a liberally controlled supreme court both the gerrymandering and the citizen united can finally be removed or at least improves. Those influences have made it so that both parties only need to placate their base to be re-elected. With those things gone, I expect the system will start to heal itself, and politicians on both sides will need appeal to a large range of voters. That should help with the spirit of cooperation. At least certainly hope it will.

    Edit -- this is not to say to that I think the problems with cooperation have been on the liberal side of the spectrum. Liberals in general just want to get things done, and so I believe have been much more willing to comprise to that end than their conservative counterparts.

    All the best

    Tempest

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Here are more reasons that poor people vote not only Republican but conservative.

    Look at childbirth rate among teens. It is higher in lower incomes because income doesn't enter into the consideration of poor people having children. Poor people are almost vehemently against abortion. The rate of childbirth and pregnancies in poor people is 5 to7 times that of higher incomes.

    There are no liberal, progressive or objective radio programs that are successful or therefore available. I go into the warehouses of my suppliers and every one of them has Rush Limbaugh and other right wing talk stars propagandizing on the radio. The right wing talk stars resonate with the typically low paid workers. They have no counterpoint to listen to. Low income people despise people that get assistance that they can't qualify for. The right wing talk stars are typically the only exposure poor people get to "NEWS". They repeat what they hear like gospel.

    Poor people trust religion and most religions tend to be conservative. Don't complain, work hard and turn the other cheek will get you into heaven.

    Poor people spend a higher percentage of their income on gasoline and consequently bare a higher percentage share of clean air proposals. Conservatives blame low incomes on regulations and big government. Right wing appears to be the champion of the poor.

    Tobacco alienates poor people to government. A higher percentage of poor smoke and a higher percentage of their income goes to tobacco tax. What they here from the left is to quit smoking. What they hear from the right is government is restricting their freedoms.

    Once you remove objectivity from the analysis the reasons for the poor supporting conservatives are easy to see.

    Great points also.

    Thanks much for the incites.

    Tempest

  • Liberal Democrat
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    I agree with both Tempest and Chet. Good observations. As one who has traveled across America in my retirement and spent many nights in rural areas, I can certainly understand how the worldviews of rural Americas are influenced by their limited media sources. Rush Limbaugh's programs are far reaching. Furthermore, in their small communities and churches the dialogues tend to be very local and tribal; they find that they have little in common with "city folk" and certainly not the so called establishment of Washington D.C., which for them is a far away country.

    However, they are also easily exploited by politicians like Trump.

    As a former precinct chair, I also appreciate Tempest's comments on neighborhood gatherings. These are wonderful venues for openly exchanging views on candidates. The problem is that they are hard to organize and get people out of their own homes to participate. I had trouble getting people to attend a caucus meeting let alone a neighborhood gathering. Sometimes with the presence of a high profile candidate attending, it can work, but the candidates themselves are spread thin and probably also have a daytime job. Weekends tend to be a busy time for families, with all the school events taking time.

    So for the few neighborhood gatherings that I have participated in, the attendees are largely retired folks like myself or parents whose kids have gone off to college. Then we are mostly like minded. The exception of course was the Bernie versus Hillary tribes, which also drew different sets of demographics. At our caucus meeting last March as we divided into groups of Bernie supporters versus Hillary supporters, someone entering the room would have thought we were divided by young versus old. And the discussion points were likewise divided.

    Still having said that, any gathering for exchanging views are good for our democracy, whether you are liberal or conservative. Living inside of bubbles is not good for expanding worldviews.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I personally could care less about just getting people to vote. If people don't vote Democratic then I would be happy if they stayed home. If you are a working person you have no choice but to vote a straight Democratic ticket.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Statistics say that when the percentage of voters is high, Democrats win. With low voter turnout Democrats lose. The reason is that Republicans tend to turn out their base more easily. Of course, they also use social issues to turn out the vote. My neighbor has on his lawn a sign saying that Vote No on Proposition 106. What is Proposition 106?

    Denver Post, September 23, 2016: Proposition 106 in Colorado: Everything you need to know about medical aid in dying

    "A measure that would allow terminally ill patients to take life-ending, doctor-prescribed sleeping medication is among the most emotionally charged — and expensive — initiatives on the November ballot."

    I don't want to make this about "dying with dignity". What Proposition 106 will do, however, is get out the vote for the religious right. They will vote in huge numbers because of Proposition 106 on the ballot. Meanwhile, many liberals lamenting the fact that Bernie Sanders lost to Hillary, will not vote or will vote for Jill Stein. Some even plan to vote for Gary Johnson which shows how ill informed they are.

  • Center Left
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    I encourage all to vote regardless of their views. I have heard the suggestion that election day be a national holiday. I like that.