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North Carolina. What is/will be costs of HB2.

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  • Center Left
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    North Carolina is a beautiful state where my family vacationed for many many years. The Republican governor is concerned where people are going to the bathroom. Transgender persons are the ones wearing the large targets on themselves since the passage of "HB2". Truth is transgendered persons make up a very small percentage of persons in this country. Furthermore, they have always and will always go to the bathroom. Crazy people believe that they are possibly sexual predators. Most sexual offenders that I've read about are white republican men. Anyway, I was wondering what this HB2 was costing the state of NC. Much of what it will cost won't be able to be calculated because some families who used to rent beach houses and spend much money will simply go to other places. This story below starts to address the costs and how it is negatively working against them. I'm hoping to find other information that hopefully will give a more accurate look into the situation. The NCAA and the league (ACC) which members are important NC schools have also canceled post season tournament games being held there.

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    cancelations of conventions and entertainment: Joining Mississippi in any category is questionable.

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    North Carolina and Mississippi are representative of the "old school" of the religious right, or perhaps more appropriately, the "old white guys" that they continue to elect to the governorships and legislatures. It's good that not only the NCAA has imposed boycotts, but also corporations and entertainers. The effects will definitely hit everyone's pocket books, but perhaps more so the small venders that sell food and other souvenirs at these events.

    I really don't expect the old white guys in the legislatures and governorships to change. They will remain defiant and play the victim. It will be another example of US versus THEM... with them being the FEDS and Barack Hussein Obama. That's how politics works in these states as well as many other states in the south and southwest. Our government is the enemy to many of these people. For many that view has not changed since the Civil War.

  • Center Left
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    Corporations who had planned to create jobs there have changed their minds. Pay Pal was going to expand their presence in NC but backed out after this was done. Jobs go accross party lines. Pay Pal didn't say anything negative against the current administration, they just decided it wasn't a place that they want to further invest in.

    As I previously mentioned, we vacationed in the Outer Banks (island community) for 20 years. We rented a vacation house but also spent money on groceries, restaurants, gift shops and far more. Those are also small businesses that will feel the effect of a bad law I agree that 99% of residents don't care at all who goes to the bathroom. When it has an effect on the money in or not in their pockets, it might start getting noticed. A huge number of entertainers have canceled shows in the state. That seems like an issue that might matter to millennials or Gen X'ers. In total there are a number of negative aspects. My mental picture of a transgendered person is someone who's trying to go unnoticed and not get into conflicts. That's why I think they are not the "threat" that the governor would paint them to be.

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    why should 99.7 % of the people change the way they use bathrooms to accommodate 0.3 % of men who want to use the ladies room or women who want to pee in men's?

    I look at it as women's health issue - women don't need the added opportunity for a sexual predator to say he's trans and go into a women's bathroom. Making that legal invites problems.

    The true solution is unisex bathrooms - individual bathrooms, one person at a time. Problem solved.

  • Independent
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    T.J. you said it correctly. It is not just only the problem in N.C. the "old white conservative christian" mentality is stopping this country to advance into the 21st century. The main reason is the "island" mentality; they've never worked abroad or read the right books. Indeed they still live in the 1800's with their possum stew and raccoon hats. The US never will be an uniform "educated" country; the coastal area's are more developed than the interior; just look at the voting. So it is totally nuts that now the "dumb interior" has won the election, because of indeed 1800's rules. Absolute an crazy idiot country.
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    Dutch - so its less nuts that an extreme minority of the geographical US controls how elections go ?

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  • Independent
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    conservativecat Wrote:

    Dutch - so its less nuts that an extreme minority of the geographical US controls how elections go ?

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    No, that is not what I wrote. It is an stupidity that an 1800's law ( Electoral College) uses the "population" account of 1800 to award their college "votes" California in 1800 had as many people as Kentucky at that time; now California has 39 million and Kentucky may be 8 million? thus everything is out of whack. That is the stupidity here, do as Europe does; just count votes.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Two Senators from Wyoming represent 586,675 people and have the same voting power as two Senators from California who represent 39,747,844 people. Plus every year the population of CA increases by about the same number as the entire population of Wyoming. Does that make sense???
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Well I might agree with conservecat. What's wrong with unisex bathrooms, one person at a time. Many small restaurants have that already or maybe three: male, female and unisex. It might be hard to carve out space for a unisex bathroom in some places, but in the long term it's hard to see people who are so entrenched in their views to open up. It just makes them hate government even more.
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    so 2 Senators for every state is an antiquated thing and should be done away with ? I mean how fair is that right?

    the brilliance of the Electoral college shined fully in this election ....... remove CA and Trump would have won the election by 1.4 million votes ....... remove the big urban areas and Trump would have won by a landslide. The EC is designed so that 5% of the geographical area where 60% of the population lives doesn't dominate the 95% and 40% of the other.

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    I would add - I don't like winner take all. I hate it in the primaries especially.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Two Senators from Wyoming represent 586,675 people and have the same voting power as two Senators from California who represent 39,747,844 people. Plus every year the population of CA increases by about the same number as the entire population of Wyoming. Does that make sense???

    For the millionth time - please stay on the topic of the thread.

    Any future talk about Senate appropriation on this thread will be removed.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    conservativecat Wrote: why should 99.7 % of the people change the way they use bathrooms to accommodate 0.3 % of men who want to use the ladies room or women who want to pee in men's?

    I look at it as women's health issue - women don't need the added opportunity for a sexual predator to say he's trans and go into a women's bathroom. Making that legal invites problems.

    It's interesting how the same exact argument that was used to keep black people from using the same bathrooms as white people are now being used against transgender people.

    And I've been in countless concert and sports venues where women brazenly walk into the men's room because the women's line is twice as long. I've never witnessed one guy express the slightest hint of outrage and most of the time we just let the woman cut in line because the vast majority of us just needed to pee.


    This is not a women's health issue. There is zero evidence that transgender people are using public restrooms to commit rape. In fact, evidence shows that transgender people who are forced to use the bathroom of the gender on their birth certificate are more prone to abuse. That's because someone born a woman but now identifies as a man looks like a man and that can be awkward if they are forced to use a woman's bathroom.

    Which situation would a non transgender woman feel more comfortable in? One where a man who identifies as a woman and looks like a woman uses the private stall in a women's bathroom to conduct her "business" or one where a woman who identifies as a man and dresses like a man is forced to use the women's bathroom?

    conservativecat Wrote: The true solution is unisex bathrooms - individual bathrooms, one person at a time. Problem solved.

    I don't disagree, but we're a long way from that in the deeply red states. I live in Portland and the vast majority of new businesses have gender neutral unisex bathrooms, but I also travel a lot and we seem to be the exception and not the norm.

  • Strongly Liberal
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    Because it never happens. Tranny's aren't criminals. They are just people. This law is just another distraction created to attack minority people. It's that simple. It's just another example of right wing hate making an issue where there is no issue.

    The problem in these red states is right wing terror. That exists. Dylan Roof. The idiots who harass and attack planned Parenthood clinics are the problem. People who are still fighting the civil war are the problem. Poor education is obviously the driving force. The propaganda ministry of right wing hate is the problem.

    People using the bathroom is not a issue..I only hear men worried about this . Just like the abortion issue. Right wing nut jobs.

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    It's interesting how this same exact argument that was used to keep black people from using the same bathrooms as white people are now being used against transgender people.

    except black isn't a choice - its a skin color

    I'm not scared of a trans man going into a bathroom with my 17 year old daughter. I'm afraid of the liars doing it for perversion. I'd rather protect the 50% +/- of population who is women from people like that than the 0.6 % who are confused on standing or sitting to pee.

    yes - it happens

    dailywire.com/news/5190/5-times-transge...