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The 49er player who did not stand during the national anthem.

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    TJ Wrote:

    This controversy is as stark as our race for prez.. Many see it 100% in one direction and give no consideration to the other side of the coin. Mr. Kaepernick suggests their are racial issues in this country. A trump supporter offered a solution..... just send the African Americans back where they came from. Crazy stuff. I can't believe the people who we dragged here in chains, enslaved, beat, raped and killed, eventually gave freedom to while never letting them get close to legal equality, refused to offer most jobs to or most homes to or any fairness in the legal channels, aren't quietly happily standing to say what a great flag that is.

    Surprisingly there have been military members who have come forth with the statement: We didn't fight and/or die for your right to stand, we did so for you to have a choice to stand or not.

    Kareem Abdul Jabbar made a statement yesterday supporting Kaepernicks right to have his stance. Many others say it's an insult to our military. Mark my words..... Equality is not arriving this afternoon (sadly in my view) and the tidal wave of white unhappiness is going to lead to a major state of unrest (including mass violence) in this country. Trump has sensed this and he's riding that wave towards our highest office. When you consider what could have been and should have been a recipe to great times in a great country.... you instead get small, scared, weak people who want to cower with their guns awaiting an ugly confrontation that would bring us to our lowest point ever. Even if/when Trump loses..... that hate, fear, and anger won't have gone anywhere. The small numbers in law enforcement won't be able to contain masses trying to whiten this place up.

    30 years of right wing propaganda makes everybody feel guilty to want to spend the money and do something right other than defense. Then when there is a problem nobody talks about spending money to fix it. More cops in more cars on more patrols getting paid more money to use more overwhelming non lethal devices while wearing the best whole body arm while using more robots.

    You can't solve a monstrous problem without spending more money.

    The absolutely worst response is not spending more money.

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    - The technology already exists to focus on and shut down a particular vehicle. GPS devices could be attached to cars during traffic stops and removed after stop. GPS devices could be attached to fleeing cars eliminating high speed chases. Pick your own history. Spend money to fix the problem or make it an ongoing issue.
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    I heard Karrem in that interview. He made a very good point about voting. He said something yo the effect that forcing people to vote is a horrible idea. If people are sharp enough to know who to vote for and why they shouldn't be voting in the first place. It's about time someone started saying we need an educated, informed voter base not a bunch of warb bodies voting like robot because that's what they were told to do!
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    pr Wrote: I heard Karrem in that interview. He made a very good point about voting. He said something yo the effect that forcing people to vote is a horrible idea. If people are sharp enough to know who to vote for and why they shouldn't be voting in the first place. It's about time someone started saying we need an educated, informed voter base not a bunch of warb bodies voting like robot because that's what they were told to do!
    P.R. sorry to say "voting" is manipulated in an huge way; why do you think the candidates are spending half a billion to get elected; not all that money goes to add's, but is used to do influence peddling. This is an corrupt country and only very drastic regulations can make voting somewhat honest. Like I said in Europe the candidate can spent only an limited amount and advertise only on an government supplied plywood billboard. The same applies for the "drug" companies they can't advertise on the media either till you go nuts and then need their drug, like here.
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    Okay, why do we always get off topic? The subject is Kaepernick's protest of the playing of the Star Spangled Banner at NFL games so I'll ignore all the other hot button stuff that reappears again and again in every thread.

    Here's a very good article worth reading. I would like to see the playing of the National Anthem at sporting events scrapped entirely. It's a carry over from World War I and II when patriotism was pushed as a part of the war efforts. There's no need for that "hyper-patriot" act anymore. No other countries do it before sporting events.

    Zack Beauchamp, Vox: Kaepernick didn’t bring politics into sports. The NFL did that by playing the anthem.

    As Beauchamp points out, it is not really about patriotism anymore. It's about money.

    "Patriotism in professional sports isn’t actually about patriotism. It’s a pantomime, a performance designed to tap into Americans’ national pride without enhancing it. Playing the national anthem isn’t an honor for the nation in any meaningful sense; it’s turning the “Star-Spangled Banner” into an advertising jingle.

    "Kaepernick’s critics are essentially saying it’s fine to use the national anthem to make money, but not to make a point about injustice. That seems like an utterly bizarre way of understanding patriotism."

    I agree. I hadn't thought of the money angle, but it makes good sense to me in our capitalist society. Patriotism, or what we think it represents, sells. It's a money maker.

    We now have grown so accustomed to standing for the national anthem at sporting events that we are numb to anything but it. We are like the Pavlovian dogs of sort dutifully standing with our hands on our heart, caps off and singing with the audience. We do it because our brains have been wired to doing it. It will be difficult to change brains but maybe Kaepernick can start the process.

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    Schmidt, You have made an accurate observation and a great point. It's not just Kaepernick though. A few days ago there was another pre season game and 3 players did not stand. A couple days ago a woman on the US womens soccer team knelt during the anthem (showing agreement with CK). Pro footballs season starts Thursday night with the majority of games next Sunday. I don't expect any wide participation because this country doesn't want individual thinkers. I wouldn't be surprised if some participate in this though.

    President Obama made a comment on this topic. He agreed that there are issues that need to be addressed and how his actions have opened conversations that in the past were comfortably swept under the rug. I love that Americans are discussing issues that seriously need to be addressed / discussed. Even small steps in the right direction are something to be hopeful about.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Okay, why do we always get off topic? The subject is Kaepernick's protest of the playing of the Star Spangled Banner at NFL games so I'll ignore all the other hot button stuff that reappears again and again in every thread.

    Here's a very good article worth reading. I would like to see the playing of the National Anthem at sporting events scrapped entirely. It's a carry over from World War I and II when patriotism was pushed as a part of the war efforts. There's no need for that "hyper-patriot" act anymore. No other countries do it before sporting events.

    Zack Beauchamp, Vox: Kaepernick didn’t bring politics into sports. The NFL did that by playing the anthem.

    As Beauchamp points out, it is not really about patriotism anymore. It's about money.

    "Patriotism in professional sports isn’t actually about patriotism. It’s a pantomime, a performance designed to tap into Americans’ national pride without enhancing it. Playing the national anthem isn’t an honor for the nation in any meaningful sense; it’s turning the “Star-Spangled Banner” into an advertising jingle.

    "Kaepernick’s critics are essentially saying it’s fine to use the national anthem to make money, but not to make a point about injustice. That seems like an utterly bizarre way of understanding patriotism."

    I agree. I hadn't thought of the money angle, but it makes good sense to me in our capitalist society. Patriotism, or what we think it represents, sells. It's a money maker.

    We now have grown so accustomed to standing for the national anthem at sporting events that we are numb to anything but it. We are like the Pavlovian dogs of sort dutifully standing with our hands on our heart, caps off and singing with the audience. We do it because our brains have been wired to doing it. It will be difficult to change brains but maybe Kaepernick can start the process.

    NO, Schmidt, we are not of topic; you are. The issue is "sitting' during the playing of the national anthem. There are many reasons for that; not just one topic. The same applies to voting; religion; military; police brutality; election money waste and lies; corruption in this country; drug use; alcoholism, you name it. There are many reasons not to stand and approve things in this country.
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    If you are a pro Football fan you can buy a players jersey from the league. ($99.99 + taxes). Currently a back up quarterback for the San Francisco 49'ers - Colin Kaepernick's jersey is the best selling jersey in the league. This is at a time when the league is starting a new season Thursday night. America's favorite sport where hundreds of millions of dollars are spent on advertising and billions are spent on television rights. Interesting to say the least. People are talking about an important issue. How people and law enforcement treat other people. Bigot's crawl back behind your bush and hide. When your guy is elected your bigotry will not only be accepted, it will be celebrated. We have so much to look forward to (sarcasm).
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    Since this country is no longer a Republic but an oligarchic plutocracy this superficial, automatic, patriotic genuflecting is down right absurd.
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    Connie Wrote: Since this country is no longer a Republic but an oligarchic plutocracy this superficial, automatic, patriotic genuflecting is down right absurd.
    You should know by now that "flag waving" and "patriotic" things as well "military" as well "church" and a lot of "praying" saves this nation from the "devil"
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    Right you are Connie, it just reaffirms our obedience to the owners and subconsciously keeps us in line and grateful.
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    As I stated above, Colin Kaepernick is currently selling more jerseys than anyone but you won't believe the nerve of this guy. On top of contributing a million dollars of his salary this year..... he's now contributing all of the proceeds that he'll get from the jersey sales. Somebody stop him before he addresses a problem. They said put your money where your mouth is and he did.... twice. What have you done today to make the world a better place ? That's what I thought.
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    This topic is getting old. As crazy as it is that America is bent out of shape because he didn't stand for the song....... It's being reported how a San Francisco 49'ers player got in trouble for violence against a senior citizen but because he's white..... it's not a national outrage. Double standards

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    TJ Wrote:

    Schmidt, You have made an accurate observation and a great point. It's not just Kaepernick though. A few days ago there was another pre season game and 3 players did not stand. A couple days ago a woman on the US womens soccer team knelt during the anthem (showing agreement with CK). Pro footballs season starts Thursday night with the majority of games next Sunday. I don't expect any wide participation because this country doesn't want individual thinkers. I wouldn't be surprised if some participate in this though.

    President Obama made a comment on this topic. He agreed that there are issues that need to be addressed and how his actions have opened conversations that in the past were comfortably swept under the rug. I love that Americans are discussing issues that seriously need to be addressed / discussed. Even small steps in the right direction are something to be hopeful about.

    T.J. Don't we have more serious subjects in this country than this "simple" issue of "protest"; freedom of expression is the case, so let them. An flag or anthem are not "living things"; if people wear shorts made of the flag or underwear or an beach towel where they fart in, so what? Sounds of an anthem carry may be a few hundred yards and disappear into nothing, just like prayers; so who cares. I'm amazed that people make an issue of this at all. Just play the Russian anthem and stand erect with your hand on your ass; who cares.