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The 49er player who did not stand during the national anthem.

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  • Independent
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    I fully agree with that guy. The way this country horses around with "blacks' and an lot of other things, it does not deserve an respect for our symbols. Just like saluting to the Nazi flag was comparable. Sure we are not as bad, but surely as stupid. The point is that all our actions world wide should not be an pride but an shame. How many people did we kill because of all our stupid wars since 1945, as well fortunes of money which could have helped the 'blacks' and other immigrants.

    The way we managed this country is awful; only the "top" few are getting rich over the less fortunate and like our war industry is profiting from killing people we don't like; sure a reason to be patriotic. My feeling is that this country especially with the present candidates is moving into an wrong direction. So I'm not proud of this country; and I'm not the only one. Let's make this an country who cares about people and their quality of life, instead of money and hypocracy. As well let's look in the mirror, before we dictate or bomb other countries. So I sit down as well, when they play the national anthem. Amen

  • Center Left
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    I agree with him as well. A quiet personal protest is perfectly acceptable. More people should make a point of having their voice heard. He's correct that this problem is a mess and so damned many things need 1. talked about, 2. improved, 3. understood.

    In the news it showed Trump bashing him which is redundant. How could a black man make a good point ? Then on the news it showed Kaepernick saying how important issues aren't discussd in the news. Clinton being dishonest. 2 major party candidates..... one suggests that maybe you should find a new country to live in. THEN you say bad things about the other one.

    Not standing for the anthem like the millions of other robots doesn't make you a bad person. Not having a brain and not reflecting poorly about Trump who harshly blasted you doe's make you seem stupid.

    (Occupy Democrats)

    On Facebook just now it said:

    Colin Karpernick says America is not great, people tell him to leave.

    Donald Trump says America is not great, and he may become President.

    Double standards, much ?

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Good points TJ.

    I have zero problem with Colin Kaepernick's protest. I'm so tired of the manufactured outrage and hatred directed at anyone who dares to speak their mind and take a stand. What frustrates me even more is the double standard people of color are held to compared to white people.

    The same manufactured outrage happened when Gabby Douglas didn't **gasp** put her hand on her heart during the national anthem at the Olympics. No one said anything about the countless other white male athletes who did the same thing, but she was labeled a traitor.

    Our country has a long history of allowing the right wing to define patriotism. It's really quite sad.

  • Independent
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    Good points TJ.

    I have zero problem with Colin Kaepernick's protest. I'm so tired of the manufactured outrage and hatred directed at anyone who dares to speak their mind and take a stand. What frustrates me even more is the double standard people of color are held to compared to white people.

    The same manufactured outrage happened when Gabby Douglas didn't **gasp** put her hand on her heart during the national anthem at the Olympics. No one said anything about the countless other white male athletes who did the same thing, but she was labeled a traitor.

    Our country has a long history of allowing the right wing to define patriotism. It's really quite sad.

    Thanks T.J. and Jared. Indeed you both are right. I love to be proud of this country, but if I see that 42% will vote for Trump, then I'm not so proud.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Yes I agree. I think our country is moving too much towards "hyper-patriotism" where people are expected to show their allegiance to the flag, God and country at every event or be judged unpatriotic. President Obama didn't wear a flag lapel and was condemned by the hyper-patriots. Once he didn't salute a marine while he left Air Force One. Kids in school were ridiculed if they didn't want to cite the pledge of allegiance.

    And now we don't even play "take me out to the ball game" at the seventh inning stretch of baseball games. I used to enjoy standing and singing that with my kids. Now it's the obligatory, America the Beautiful.

    As Thom Hartman pointed out in his program this morning, the stadium is named Levi Stadium after the jean maker. Levi has outsourced all their clothing manufacturing to overseas firms. So who is more patriotic?

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: And now we don't even play "take me out to the ball game" at the seventh inning stretch of baseball games. I used to enjoy standing and singing that with my kids. Now it's the obligatory, America the Beautiful.

    At least my beloved Cubbies still do!

    I think there would be a second great Chicago fire if they ever decided to stop playing it at Wrigley Field.


    The one I hate even more than 'America the Beautiful' is 'God Bless America.'

    Are some people that convinced of our exceptionalism that we only ask God to bless this country and none others?

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Jared -- My mistake. The typical 7th inning song now is "God Bless America" as you stated. I have heard America the Beautiful sung in some events (I don't recall which), but the practice now for the 7th inning is indeed God Bless America. And I don't like that. I think that started after 9/11.

    Take me out to the ballgame...and Wrigley Field. Real tradition.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Jared -- My mistake. The typical 7th inning song now is "God Bless America" as you stated. I have heard America the Beautiful sung in some events (I don't recall which), but the practice now for the 7th inning is indeed God Bless America. And I don't like that. I think that started after 9/11.

    Take me out to the ballgame...and Wrigley Field. Real tradition.

    Sure it is not just an "ballgame" issue. If I see that the parents of an killed soldier get an folded flag and are happy with that, then I can't understand the mentality here; I rather had my son/daughter back than an stupid piece of cloth. If you fight the wrong wars, I guess then there is no "honor", if people are used as "robots" and are misled to join the army. I've learned an lot of the second World War; it destroyed my whole family; so I absolute can't understand why the US is so much in love with its military and its never ending wars, which makes this country forget their own people and their futures as well their well being. My best friend is buried at Arlington; luckily he made it out of Vietnam, but died later; he was not proud of that war and all others after that. Hitler's flag was also an symbol and millions of people died because of such symbol; do we want to do the same?
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: Jared -- My mistake. The typical 7th inning song now is "God Bless America" as you stated. I have heard America the Beautiful sung in some events (I don't recall which), but the practice now for the 7th inning is indeed God Bless America. And I don't like that. I think that started after 9/11.

    I don't like it either. I have a feeling many of the people who signed the Constitution are rolling over in their graves whenever they hear that song.

    (Dutch - I'm an atheist and don't actually believe that any of our Founding Fathers are literally rolling over in their graves. It's just a saying...)

    Schmidt Wrote: Take me out to the ballgame...and Wrigley Field. Real tradition.

    Those damn lovable losers. Any genuine Cubs fan won't get excited about this season until they are 3-0 in the World Series, up 30-0 with two outs and two strikes in the 9th inning. That's when I may start getting excited.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Isn't part of the tradition that the Cubbies always lose? Well maybe this year will be different.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: Isn't part of the tradition that the Cubbies always lose? Well maybe this year will be different.
    Please don't jinx it for me Schmidt!
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "Once he didn't salute a marine while he left Air Force One."

    Funny that right wing patriotic critics don't know patriotic protocol. Presidents and other civilians don't render hand salutes. They may but it is actually meaningless protocol because the salute is military uniform protocol.

  • Liberal
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    I always avoid people waving flags and wearing crosses! It just makes for a better world.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Maybe it's time we changed our national anthem. Look at the official long version...all about war and bombs. Is that what we want to continue to glorify? I was thinking of maybe America the Beautiful, but those lyrics are full of "God shed his grace on thee".

    The Star-Spangled Banner

    Jake Shimabukuro

    O say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
    What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
    Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
    O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
    And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
    Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
    O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

    On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
    Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
    What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
    As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
    Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
    In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
    'Tis the star-spangled banner, O! long may it wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

    And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
    That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
    A home and a country, should leave us no more?
    Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
    No refuge could save the hireling and slave
    From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

    O thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
    Between their loved homes and the war's desolation.
    Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the Heav'n rescued land
    Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
    Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
    And this be our motto: 'In God is our trust.'
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Maybe it's time we changed our national anthem. Look at the official long version...all about war and bombs. Is that what we want to continue to glorify? I was thinking of maybe America the Beautiful, but those lyrics are full of "God shed his grace on thee".

    The Star-Spangled Banner

    Jake Shimabukuro

    O say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
    What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
    Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
    O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
    And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
    Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
    O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

    On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
    Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
    What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
    As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
    Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
    In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
    'Tis the star-spangled banner, O! long may it wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

    And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
    That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
    A home and a country, should leave us no more?
    Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
    No refuge could save the hireling and slave
    From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

    O thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
    Between their loved homes and the war's desolation.
    Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the Heav'n rescued land
    Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
    Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
    And this be our motto: 'In God is our trust.'
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

    No, once Trump is "king" then we change it all together; into something like the KKK sign and wave our burning crosses.