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Where I stand on the Issues

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Colorado Springs, CO
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    SandyLady Wrote:

    I was asked right on this website, where I stand on the Issues.

    I stand with this.

    Law should be based on creating order, not necessarily freedom UNLESS it can provided along with order.

    There is no Age that people live to be, that is a majority age for doing just whatever the hell its that they want to do, and laws are not treating adults like children, laws are there to keep Civil Order, Peace, Reasonable Prosperity, Justice, Equality and and Public Safety.

    67 years old, is not old enough to tell a 24 year old police officer what he's going to do and how he's going to do it, period.

    That 24 year old police officer is the boss, not the 67 year old who was NOT hired by the Government to maintain that city, state or county's law and order...

    And 67 years old is also not old enough to break the laws, period.

    So its about time that assholes got over that age and adulthood quagmire.

    And there is a reason why the cop is 24, and he's 67.... and that's because the 24 year old has the body, the spirit and the mind to get things done on the streets.

    A 67 year old woman dressed in a police uniform is simply a free toy to a bunch of 16 to 24 or 25 year old thugs... yet 24 is old enough to be responsible and be trusted with the duty.

    I believe in Unions.

    Those Unions should be Unions for Private sector employees....

    Government Agents who serve Uncle Sam, should not be allowed to unionize because their work is far too valuable to society for them to just be allowed to stonewall the Government and stop its effective operations and give people crap service.

    In fact Police Unions are a reason for the Police officer's behavior recently... just simply murdering people.

    If civil rights is going to be the law, maybe its time it was the law.

    The KKK and the Skinheads and the Black Panthers and so on, need to spend a month in jail for their discriminatory, offensive, racist and intimidating behavior in public... its called Disorderly Conduct.

    Wow SandyLady. That's quite a list. I have tried to profile you in my own mind based on the list, but it's difficult. So rather than going point by point, I just extracted the items above related to law and order as that seems to be one of your hot buttons.

    I'm not sure I fully understand the points you are making between the 24 year old police officer and the 67 year old. There's a story behind your bitterness that you haven't revealed directly. I see you have empathy for the 24 year old police officer...perhaps a relative. Being 69 years old myself, I have a healthy respect for the energy and enthusiasm of young people although at times I think they are naïve in their understanding of the world. I say this as a former Democratic Party precinct chair who tried to reach out to the young generation to get them to register to vote. I could share their idealistic worldviews, but I have to temper them with my own life's experiences which deal more with reality.

    Your statement on Police unions, the Police officer's behavior recently followed by the "just simply murdering people" is perplexing and seems inconsistent with your earlier statements on the 24 year old police officer. I don't follow it, but I sense some strong bitterness.

    Your statement on the KKK, Skinheads and Black Panthers shows a strong bias, but as you know these groups, no matter how much you might despise them, do have a First Amendment right to express themselves. Perhaps, they are part of the focus of the yet unrevealed underlying story of the 24 year old police officer.

    Thanks for sharing your views. Our worldviews are all somewhat based on our life's experiences, but are also tempered by our ability to think critically and not let our emotions over rule our minds. Negative life's experiences can capture our minds. They are hard to release.

  • Independent
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    Define justice. Better yet, point at it and say"that is justice." Define order, security, peace, reasonable prosperity.

    for that matter define freedom. And it ain't economic freedom. Read Wolfgang Streeck's "Buying Time" for some insight into the incompatibility of capitalism and democracy. Von Hayek and company equate freedom with economic freedom when in reality capitalism requires democracy to exist but autocracy in the form of rule by economic technocrats to thrive for the capitalist. Von Hayek and company require government to not intervene but in the case of establishing laws and a legal system to protect private property. Beyond that? Nothing. You want clean water? Too damn bad. It would be an onus on the private sector unless government stepped in to force the issue.

    as for holding government hostage conservatism has done that for 36 years ever since the election of the idiot Reagan.

  • Independent
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    SandyLady Wrote:
    lonely bird Wrote:

    Define justice. Better yet, point at it and say"that is justice." Define order, security, peace, reasonable prosperity.

    for that matter define freedom. And it ain't economic freedom. Read Wolfgang Streeck's "Buying Time" for some insight into the incompatibility of capitalism and democracy. Von Hayek and company equate freedom with economic freedom when in reality capitalism requires democracy to exist but autocracy in the form of rule by economic technocrats to thrive for the capitalist. Von Hayek and company require government to not intervene but in the case of establishing laws and a legal system to protect private property. Beyond that? Nothing. You want clean water? Too damn bad. It would be an onus on the private sector unless government stepped in to force the issue.

    as for holding government hostage conservatism has done that for 36 years ever since the election of the idiot Reagan.

    I'm not going to define shit for somebody trying to play dumb.

    You know exactly what I wrote, and that's all that I have to say to you, other than provisions that protect clean water is part of law and order.

    yeah, i know exactly what you wrote, a phucquing pile of word salad. and provisions that protect air and water are not part of law and order.

    you want an example of law and order? poll taxes were a part of law and order. laws forbidding people of different races were law and order. laws preventing labor organizing were law and order.

    i don't play dumb. you come on the board pumping a bunch of crap around and then act all hard ass. big phucquing deal. arkansas sucks, get over it. it is no better than the other 49 states.

    you want to debate and discuss, great. i would love it. you want to blather? you will get no slack here.

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  • Independent
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    SandyLady Wrote:
    lonely bird Wrote:
    SandyLady Wrote:
    lonely bird Wrote:

    Define justice. Better yet, point at it and say"that is justice." Define order, security, peace, reasonable prosperity.

    for that matter define freedom. And it ain't economic freedom. Read Wolfgang Streeck's "Buying Time" for some insight into the incompatibility of capitalism and democracy. Von Hayek and company equate freedom with economic freedom when in reality capitalism requires democracy to exist but autocracy in the form of rule by economic technocrats to thrive for the capitalist. Von Hayek and company require government to not intervene but in the case of establishing laws and a legal system to protect private property. Beyond that? Nothing. You want clean water? Too damn bad. It would be an onus on the private sector unless government stepped in to force the issue.

    as for holding government hostage conservatism has done that for 36 years ever since the election of the idiot Reagan.

    I'm not going to define shit for somebody trying to play dumb.

    You know exactly what I wrote, and that's all that I have to say to you, other than provisions that protect clean water is part of law and order.

    yeah, i know exactly what you wrote, a phucquing pile of word salad. and provisions that protect air and water are not part of law and order.

    you want an example of law and order? poll taxes were a part of law and order. laws forbidding people of different races were law and order. laws preventing labor organizing were law and order.

    i don't play dumb. you come on the board pumping a bunch of crap around and then act all hard ass. big phucquing deal. arkansas sucks, get over it. it is no better than the other 49 states.

    you want to debate and discuss, great. i would love it. you want to blather? you will get no slack here.

    Go fuck yourself.

    I'll have a debate with you by busting your fucking skull.

    You heard what fuck I said, and you know what the fuck it means, shut the fuck up you retard and go fuck yourself.

    Your fucking mom is what sucks.

    How do ya like that bitch boy ?

    Again more stunning wit.

    As to your threats of violence I am at your disposal.

    As for your third sentence I know my definition of the terms you used the question is how do you define them.

    My mother died in 1983 from Non-Hogkins Lymphoma. She spent most of her married life dealing with my father who emotionally and physically abused her including breaking her arm and ribs. You want to reconsider your violent threats? Because there is nothing that stirs me more than domestic violence and plainly infantile insults such as you just wrote.

    Your last statement is infantile and leads me to believe you are not what you have posted. Perhaps you are and your alleged PTSD is showing. If so, get some help. You need it badly.

  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    Attention moderators. I am a long term member and I find this above garbage offensive. I think harsh steps should be taken to get her to act like an adult. I would be perfectly fine with a frozen or deleted account as well. Verbal attacks against others is always unacceptable. Stand up and do the right thing. If Sandy lady regretted her comments she could have hit edit or delete. She did not. Your turn.

    Lonely bird, thank you for taking the high road. I've asked moderators to do their jobs.

  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    I agree with TJ, I myself have had posts deleted because of being too offensive or perhaps being to personal with my posts, with that being said, I think the profanity ridden post should be deleted and the poster warned.
  • Liberal
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    Well, I guess Sandylady showed us her true colors! Adios Amiga don't forget to close the gate behind you.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    pr Wrote: Well, I guess Sandylady showed us her true colors! Adios Amiga don't forget to close the gate behind you.
    Sandylady will no longer be posting on this website. I'm sorry it took us awhile to delete her many derogatory posts.
  • Independent
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    pr Wrote: Well, I guess Sandylady showed us her true colors! Adios Amiga don't forget to close the gate behind you.
    Sandylady will no longer be posting on this website. I'm sorry it took us awhile to delete her many derogatory posts.
    I suspect said poster was either a troll or had some serious issues. Either way, thanks.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Colorado Springs, CO
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    I took her at her word that she suffers from PTSD and tried to accommodate her...even suggesting websites where she could get professional help or talk on forums with others suffering from the same affliction. I hope she seeks professional help. She has anger issues that perhaps are related to PTSD or something else.
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    Schmidt Wrote: I took her at her word that she suffers from PTSD and tried to accommodate her...even suggesting websites where she could get professional help or talk on forums with others suffering from the same affliction. I hope she seeks professional help. She has anger issues that perhaps are related to PTSD or something else.
    Agreed. And the thread started about allegedly beating someone up points to problems.