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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Trump is receiving subjective criticisms from both sides because both sides don't like him. Consider the latest issue with the Khan. In my casual survey I have found that "everybody" I talk to thinks the Khan's responded with the DNC speech to something Trump said negatively and directly to the Khan's about their son. And all the press Trump receives is the same way. He is quoted as saying negative things about Mexicans in general when in fact he commented about the possibility that some of the immigrants were violent, felons and otherwise disreputable. The general consensus seems to be that the press, Democrats and Republicans can say anything bad to any degree about Trump. Here is the danger in the vigilantic attitude. At some point Trump can compose and release a list of all the exaggerations. That paper when viewed by the undecided voters can backfire. An objective look at Trump by the undecideds can result in a Trump victory. Hillary's campaign can be passive agreessive or objective. I suggest objective. They should stress on known negatives and not be seen supportive of all the negativity ??? The undecided are that and they need to be swayed in a popular way.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Trump is receiving subjective criticisms from both sides because both sides don't like him. Consider the latest issue with the Khan. In my casual survey I have found that "everybody" I talk to thinks the Khan's responded with the DNC speech to something Trump said negatively and directly to the Khan's about their son. And all the press Trump receives is the same way. He is quoted as saying negative things about Mexicans in general when in fact he commented about the possibility that some of the immigrants were violent, felons and otherwise disreputable. The general consensus seems to be that the press, Democrats and Republicans can say anything bad to any degree about Trump. Here is the danger in the vigilantic attitude. At some point Trump can compose and release a list of all the exaggerations. That paper when viewed by the undecided voters can backfire. An objective look at Trump by the undecideds can result in a Trump victory. Hillary's campaign can be passive agreessive or objective. I suggest objective. They should stress on known negatives and not be seen supportive of all the negativity ??? The undecided are that and they need to be swayed in a popular way.

    Chet -- I have highlighted part of your text above. Trump's statements leave little room for doubt.

    "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending the best. They're not sending you, they're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems. They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists and some, I assume, are good people, but I speak to border guards and they're telling us what we're getting." -- Donald Trump speaking at Trump Tower in New York, June 16, 2015, announcing his candidacy for president.

    Not clear enough? After three weeks of media hammering him, he put it in writing:

    "I don’t see how there is any room for misunderstanding or misinterpretation of the statement I made on June 16th during my Presidential announcement speech. Here is what I said, and yet this statement is deliberately distorted by the media:

    “When Mexico (meaning the Mexican Government) sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you (pointing to the audience). They’re not sending you (pointing again). They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people! But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting. And it only makes common sense. They’re sending us not the right people. It’s coming from more than Mexico. It’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably from the Middle East. But we don’t know. Because we have no protection and we have no competence, we don’t know what’s happening. And it’s got to stop and it’s got to stop fast.”

    "What can be simpler or more accurately stated? The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc." -- Donald Trump clarifying his prior statements by issuing a written statement.

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    It would seem to me that Trump's statements are more than the "possibility" that some immigants were violent feleons, etc. He said it quite emphatically. Sure he mentioned, almost as an after thought, that some are "good people". But the media did not misrepresent the essence of his statements.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    But he didn't say that about all Mexicans. Any time they quote Trump he is quoted as saying that about all Mexicans. His problem with the Khans is presented as if they responded to something said directly to the Khans before the DNC. The people that know better know better. But people on the border can be swayed if they are trying to make up their minds. There are multiple reasons to reject Trump. Piling on exaggerations is not a good way to get the swing vote. If I am thinking about this I'll bet Trump is too. He can be mounting a white paper about facts.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Would you say the same thing regarding his comments about Megyn Kelly having "blood coming out of her wherever" or his mocking of a reporter with a handicap by limping his hand and hitting his chest with it?

    Were those misconstrued, as well?

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Also, was Trump misconstrued when he said this about Islamic jihadists:

    "The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don't kid yourself. When they say they don't care about their lives, you have to take out their families."

    I don't think he was talking about taking them out to dinner.

  • Center Left
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    Today I read that a gop Billionaire, Meg Whitman is selecting country over party. She's announced that she intends to vote for Hillary Clinton. The ignorant in this country want to say this man is wealthy ! Many with real wealth are standing up to say that he's not their choice.
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    Minor problem. Mexico isn't sending us anybody. The government of Mexico and the impact of nafta has created conditions which drive people to leave Mexico and other countries. The majority seek honest labor. Trump simply appeals to the lowest common denominator which is unsurprising.
  • Center Left
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    I'm watching msnbc right now. They're using harsh words like chaos, panic, and discord when discussing the major problems in the republican party. It's a crazy game. R's want to blame the horrible negatives being said about Trump on the Liberal journalism in 'murica. To stay hateful, this is also said to be a "Jewish/as money in media" issue. This week DT said he wasn't campaigning for Ryan or McCain. This behaviour defies common political logic Luckily Mr. Trump is an equal opportunity hater.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    You are missing the point. You have to realize who he is and who he appeals to. Take for example that utterly horrendous degradation of the handicapped reporter. That shameless imitating and mocking of the reporter's movements should have been the end of Trumps campaign. It was not and it also was viewed by the undecided voters. So obviously they have a different set of standards, wired differently. Since there are still significant numbers of undecided including some of Bernie's supporters then it is obvious that they have not been turned against Trump, accept Trump's mannerisms and actions. Examination of Trump's treatment from the GOP and the press in some instances are not objective and are actually exaggerations. Harsh, exaggerated and false accusations against Trump can tip the scale towards Trump. All the license there is can be invoked to demonize Trump but it will more than likely give him support. There is nothing to lose and everything to gain by portraying Trump objectively and fairly. Focusing on the glaring truth, not raising the minimum wage and keeping USAmerican workers wages low is a reality that can't be denied. Compare that with "Make America Great" and getting more jobs than anybody ever is the way to attack Trump.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Wow Chet. It sounds like you too have become a victim of Trump propaganda. Trump is demonized because of what he says. It is there in black and white, or you can watch YouTube videos of him making a fool out of himself.

    Maybe you should read this article in the New York Times.

    How the ‘Stupid Party’ Created Donald Trump

    "The trend has now culminated in the nomination of Donald J. Trump, a presidential candidate who truly is the know-nothing his Republican predecessors only pretended to be.

    "Mr. Trump doesn’t know the difference between the Quds Force and the Kurds. He can’t identify the nuclear triad, the American strategic nuclear arsenal’s delivery system. He had never heard of Brexit until a few weeks before the vote. He thinks the Constitution has 12 Articles rather than seven. He uses the vocabulary of a fifth grader. Most damning of all, he traffics in off-the-wall conspiracy theories by insinuating that President Obama was born in Kenya and that Ted Cruz’s father was involved in the Kennedy assassination. It is hardly surprising to read Tony Schwartz, the ghostwriter for Mr. Trump’s best seller “The Art of the Deal,” say, “I seriously doubt that Trump has ever read a book straight through in his adult life.”"

    He is unqualified to be president.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    And about that stupid wall. About 1,000 miles of it follows the Rio Grande River. He can't build it in the middle of the river and the Mexicans won't let him build it on their side of the river. So he'll build it on the USA side and effectively cede the whole 1,000 mile plus stretch of the river to Mexico. How does that grab you patriotic Trump loving Americans?

    Most of the river side land is private on the American side. American farmers and ranchers and their cattle will be cut-off from access to the river by the stupid wall. Is he going to invoke eminent domain to take it away from the land owners? Sheesh, what an idiot.

    I just throw this out as another example of how shallow Trump's populist thinking goes.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt, Trump is a demon. Piling on with distortions about a hero of a group only strengthens his position. He can easily be defeated based solely on what he proposes. But exaggerating and distorting what he says can turn around and give him a victory. Doing that is doing the same thing that from day one did not stop or end his campaign. Exaggerating and distorting about him proves what he says about the establishment status quo. Huge numbers of people are upset and resonate with what he says. I hope you are still reading because here is the important part. The undecided are crystal clear that they don't care about what he has done or said. Exaggerating and distorting what he says, represents or does just proves what he says about the establishment is true. He has everybody attacking him and just raised $60,000,000 . Somebody on Hillary's side said when he goes low, we go high or something like that. jaredsxtn commented about higher prices resulting from bringing jobs back to this country. So what do people think when Hillary shows Trump ties being made in China. When a victory is attainable don't throw it away by exaggerating and distorting the opponents views. He can easily be defeated with his position on minimum wage and keeping USAmerican wages low. That is clear, cut and dry. Panic thinking is what caused Watergate and cost DWS dearly. Who said if he goes low, we go high? "

    July 26, 2016 - Michelle Obama: 'When they go low, we go high" She had it right, so why disrespect her and her views?

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    " I just throw this out as another example of how shallow Trump's populist thinking goes."

    And they are close to a plurality.

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    Schmidt Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Trump is receiving subjective criticisms from both sides because both sides don't like him. Consider the latest issue with the Khan. In my casual survey I have found that "everybody" I talk to thinks the Khan's responded with the DNC speech to something Trump said negatively and directly to the Khan's about their son. And all the press Trump receives is the same way. He is quoted as saying negative things about Mexicans in general when in fact he commented about the possibility that some of the immigrants were violent, felons and otherwise disreputable. The general consensus seems to be that the press, Democrats and Republicans can say anything bad to any degree about Trump. Here is the danger in the vigilantic attitude. At some point Trump can compose and release a list of all the exaggerations. That paper when viewed by the undecided voters can backfire. An objective look at Trump by the undecideds can result in a Trump victory. Hillary's campaign can be passive agreessive or objective. I suggest objective. They should stress on known negatives and not be seen supportive of all the negativity ??? The undecided are that and they need to be swayed in a popular way.

    Chet -- I have highlighted part of your text above. Trump's statements leave little room for doubt.

    "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending the best. They're not sending you, they're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems. They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists and some, I assume, are good people, but I speak to border guards and they're telling us what we're getting." -- Donald Trump speaking at Trump Tower in New York, June 16, 2015, announcing his candidacy for president.

    Not clear enough? After three weeks of media hammering him, he put it in writing:

    "I don’t see how there is any room for misunderstanding or misinterpretation of the statement I made on June 16th during my Presidential announcement speech. Here is what I said, and yet this statement is deliberately distorted by the media:

    “When Mexico (meaning the Mexican Government) sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you (pointing to the audience). They’re not sending you (pointing again). They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people! But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting. And it only makes common sense. They’re sending us not the right people. It’s coming from more than Mexico. It’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably from the Middle East. But we don’t know. Because we have no protection and we have no competence, we don’t know what’s happening. And it’s got to stop and it’s got to stop fast.”

    "What can be simpler or more accurately stated? The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc." -- Donald Trump clarifying his prior statements by issuing a written statement.

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    It would seem to me that Trump's statements are more than the "possibility" that some immigants were violent feleons, etc. He said it quite emphatically. Sure he mentioned, almost as an after thought, that some are "good people". But the media did not misrepresent the essence of his statements.

    The media totally misrepresents what Trump said. The statement he said about the people coming over is always presented as him saying that all Mexicans are like the ones he described being sent over. The danger lies with the people yet not decided. If they see how his remark about a very small selected group of Mexicans is being represented as him saying that about all Mexicans then distrust of what they are hearing about Trump can be rationalized that everything they hear about Trump is distorted or exaggerated. That can sway the undecided to vote for Trump. You can delude yourself that exaggerated exaggerations are the way to victory but I say it is a dangerous.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: The media totally misrepresents what Trump said. The statement he said about the people coming over is always presented as him saying that all Mexicans are like the ones he described being sent over. The danger lies with the people yet not decided. If they see how his remark about a very small selected group of Mexicans is being represented as him saying that about all Mexicans then distrust of what they are hearing about Trump can be rationalized that everything they hear about Trump is distorted or exaggerated. That can sway the undecided to vote for Trump. You can delude yourself that exaggerated exaggerations are the way to victory but I say it is a dangerous.

    How in the world is the media misrepresenting what Trump has said about pretty much anything? He was pretty explicit in condemning the vast majority of people crossing the border into America and added a little caveat that "some are probably good people." It doesn't get clearer than that.

    I fear that you've been brainwashed by the Trumpster.