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Hillary Clinton: Progressive Deficit Terrorist

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    In her speech tonight, Hillary called for an ambitious progressive government spending agenda.

    I applauded her for it.

    She then proceeded to claim that it would all be paid for by tax increases on Wall Street, corporations, and the rich.

    This full blown Deficit Terrorist meltdown ruined her otherwise great speech.

    The funds to pay taxes and buy government securities come from government spending or lending.

    The Deficit Myths that compare the US government to a household are erroneous, false, and vastly detrimental to the political outlook for the Democratic Party.

    Putting tax increases in front of government spending increases without any context of what's going on in the real economy is NEVER good policy or politics.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Consider taxes only. What is wrong with taxes?

    You do not need to address this, I just think their is inconsistency in personal explanations. For example I have consistently maintained that taxes be used to create new industries and constrain bad industries when I say penalise CFMA trading and reward jobs producing trading. You have just as consistently maintained that is wrong. But my plan is supported by Beardsley Ruml saying taxes can be used to express public policy in subsidizing or in penalizing various industries and economic groups; Is there a contradiction or is an explanation available?

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Carlitos -- Isn't that what Bernie Sanders said he would do to pay for his programs -- tax the rich, Wall Street and corporations? As we have discussed before, the populist believe amongst perhaps 99 percent of Americans is that the federal budget is just like a household budget. When Americans believe that you have to pander to that belief to get elected.

    What Hillary or Bernie will do once elected remains to be seen.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Carlitos -- Isn't that what Bernie Sanders said he would do to pay for his programs -- tax the rich, Wall Street and corporations? As we have discussed before, the populist believe amongst perhaps 99 percent of Americans is that the federal budget is just like a household budget. When Americans believe that you have to pander to that belief to get elected.

    What Hillary or Bernie will do once elected remains to be seen.

    What I've not heard, is reviewing all our bloated budgets ( for instance of overpricing of war toys) for like the Pentagon, CIA, FBI, NSA, etc. which are all related to our foreign policies and continuous wars which we created ourselves. All our meddling in the world cost us fortunes; that money could be better spent at home to improve everything here instead of putting it in coffers of the war industry or foreign dictators for bribes etc. Also the bureaucracy in all government departments needs an overhaul. For instance it took my wife more than an year just to renew her "green card". efficiency in the government is an "swear word". For instance millions spent on Benghazi and e-mail nonsense could have been spent much better. Just taxing the rich more will be also money wasted if such is spent the way it is done now.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Carlitos -- Isn't that what Bernie Sanders said he would do to pay for his programs -- tax the rich, Wall Street and corporations? As we have discussed before, the populist believe amongst perhaps 99 percent of Americans is that the federal budget is just like a household budget. When Americans believe that you have to pander to that belief to get elected.

    What Hillary or Bernie will do once elected remains to be seen.

    I pretty much loved her speech and that is troubling. Her speech was completely different than her campaign. Additionally her speech contradicted jaredsxtn's earlier defense of her when she professed that all is well. I think she is running the risk of being accused of blatant pandering.

    Regarding taxes and MMT. The Catholic church does not encourage and in fact discourages parishioners from reading the bible. The reason is they want only one interpretation of the bible. The Church is the word. I think you bring up a point about taxes that reinforces the Church's practice of discouraging private interpretation. What you have said and what I have said is supported in other parts of the MMT scripture.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Carlitos -- Isn't that what Bernie Sanders said he would do to pay for his programs -- tax the rich, Wall Street and corporations? As we have discussed before, the populist believe amongst perhaps 99 percent of Americans is that the federal budget is just like a household budget. When Americans believe that you have to pander to that belief to get elected.

    What Hillary or Bernie will do once elected remains to be seen.

    Pandering to myths is a form of subversion. Not even sure pandering to the Deficit Myths could qualify as a Noble Lie because it doesn't help anything. You either believe in telling the American people the truth, or you don't.

    At least with Bernie we knew he understood things differently behind closed doors. Interestingly, the first person Bernie introduced Stephanie Kelton to on the Senate Budget Committee was Tim Kaine, who is a Pete Peterson Deficit Terrorist "Fiscal Hero."

    The dangerous thing is that those tax increases wouldn't cover Bernie's or Hillary's new spending proposals. Then what?

    And what happens when things go south? Are we going to freak out about the resulting Deficits again?

    But we now have a Democratic Senator Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin openly talking about how her Strong Way plan to cut taxes on low income workers and create a 'transitional' job program doesn't have to be paid for.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    How about just criminalize gambling in stock based trading. That would free multiple billions of dollars looking for a way to go to work. The result would be a booming economy.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote:

    Carlitos -- Isn't that what Bernie Sanders said he would do to pay for his programs -- tax the rich, Wall Street and corporations? As we have discussed before, the populist believe amongst perhaps 99 percent of Americans is that the federal budget is just like a household budget. When Americans believe that you have to pander to that belief to get elected.

    What Hillary or Bernie will do once elected remains to be seen.

    What I've not heard, is reviewing all our bloated budgets ( for instance of overpricing of war toys) for like the Pentagon, CIA, FBI, NSA, etc. which are all related to our foreign policies and continuous wars which we created ourselves. All our meddling in the world cost us fortunes; that money could be better spent at home to improve everything here instead of putting it in coffers of the war industry or foreign dictators for bribes etc. Also the bureaucracy in all government departments needs an overhaul. For instance it took my wife more than an year just to renew her "green card". efficiency in the government is an "swear word". For instance millions spent on Benghazi and e-mail nonsense could have been spent much better. Just taxing the rich more will be also money wasted if such is spent the way it is done now.

    Hi Dutch,

    If they cut the military-industrial complex spending, that would free real resources in the economy to be used for other things, so taxes could be lower and other government spending higher.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    I'm all for cutting military spending and closing some bases. However, Jill Stein's Green Party proposals in this regard seem rather extreme and unrealistic.

    Cutting military spending by 75 percent in two years.

    Closing all overseas military bases.

    Disbanding NATO and all military alliances.

    Ban US Arms Exports .

    Abolish the CIA, NSA, US Army School of the Americas, and All US Agencies of Covert Warfare.

    Abolish the IMF and World Bank .

    Withdraw from the World Trade Organization, NAFTA, and all other "corporate-managed" trade agreements.

    Establish an internationalist social tariff system that equalizes trade by accounting for the differences among countries in wages, social benefits, environmental conditions, and political rights.

    Build a Global Green Deal financed by the US tax payer for universal access to primary education, adequate food, clean water and sanitation, preventive health care, and family planning services for every human being on Earth.

    Okay there is more. I'll stop now. Ask yourself though: Are these realistic initiatives, or rather "feel good" proposals pandering to the ignorant, just like Trump is doing?

  • Independent
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    Schmidt; this not different from any "agenda" right now; neither Hillary's or Trump agenda will ever materialize in the form presented. The same as with this "green" party. May you find these points exaggerated, but it would be an breath of fresh air to have this country concentrate on internal issues instead of all our war efforts sqandering fortunes and don't get anything back except billionaires in the war industry. Militarism here is an dangerous disease like an cancer. As well our arrogance in that we should rule and dictate the world and play policeman for it. This has to stop. So these points of the "green" party are not all that bad, but would be wonderful if this country would go in that direction.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    I'm all for cutting military spending and closing some bases. However, Jill Stein's Green Party proposals in this regard seem rather extreme and unrealistic.

    Cutting military spending by 75 percent in two years.

    Closing all overseas military bases.

    Disbanding NATO and all military alliances.

    Ban US Arms Exports .

    Abolish the CIA, NSA, US Army School of the Americas, and All US Agencies of Covert Warfare.

    Abolish the IMF and World Bank .

    Withdraw from the World Trade Organization, NAFTA, and all other "corporate-managed" trade agreements.

    Establish an internationalist social tariff system that equalizes trade by accounting for the differences among countries in wages, social benefits, environmental conditions, and political rights.

    Build a Global Green Deal financed by the US tax payer for universal access to primary education, adequate food, clean water and sanitation, preventive health care, and family planning services for every human being on Earth.

    Okay there is more. I'll stop now. Ask yourself though: Are these realistic initiatives, or rather "feel good" proposals pandering to the ignorant, just like Trump is doing?

    In the least, all her proposals are delusional. They appear to be based on an assumption that the USA is paranoid. There is a good reason for a clearing house to establish a standard unified exchange rate. But all the rest of her proposals deny process. She solves problems like the EPA. She attacks the source instead of refining and developing the source. Crime is dealt with by abolishing the police force. That is shortsighted and reactionary.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Catholics read the Bible. We have Bible classes. All kinds of opinions among Catholics about Scripture and Catholic doctrine.

    People can "interpret" things however they want. People make up shit all day long.

    All I'm saying is that the non-government sector of the economy, households, businesses, and foreigners, cannot pay their taxes in US dollars until government spends or lends those US dollars first. This is a point of logic, not one of ideology or faith.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    I'm all for cutting military spending and closing some bases. However, Jill Stein's Green Party proposals in this regard seem rather extreme and unrealistic.

    Cutting military spending by 75 percent in two years.

    Closing all overseas military bases.

    Disbanding NATO and all military alliances.

    Ban US Arms Exports .

    Abolish the CIA, NSA, US Army School of the Americas, and All US Agencies of Covert Warfare.

    Abolish the IMF and World Bank .

    Withdraw from the World Trade Organization, NAFTA, and all other "corporate-managed" trade agreements.

    Establish an internationalist social tariff system that equalizes trade by accounting for the differences among countries in wages, social benefits, environmental conditions, and political rights.

    Build a Global Green Deal financed by the US tax payer for universal access to primary education, adequate food, clean water and sanitation, preventive health care, and family planning services for every human being on Earth.

    Okay there is more. I'll stop now. Ask yourself though: Are these realistic initiatives, or rather "feel good" proposals pandering to the ignorant, just like Trump is doing?

    This is from the Green Party platform.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Yes.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "Catholics read the Bible. We have Bible classes. All kinds of opinions among Catholics about Scripture and Catholic doctrine."

    I said that the Catholic Church doesn't encourage and actually discourages bible reading. When I was in high school religion class that was how it was explained. Parishoner's reading leads to private interpretation. A lot of things in the Church are left unsaid and undisciplined for the sake of larger results. For instance consider people that use birth control that are standing shoulder to shoulder with priests at abortion protests. Do you think it would affect attendance if they knew that the priest and the Church consider birth control and abortion to be equal in seriousness? The Church has become lenient because Pelosi's proclamation would be considered heresy and her a heretic.