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Obama should quit tying Hillary to his presidency.

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    He keeps inserting quips to validate his reign, inferring Hillary is his protege, trying to cash in on her nomination.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: He keeps inserting quips to validate his reign, inferring Hillary is his protege, trying to cash in on her nomination.

    Ummm...do you not remember that she was his Secretary of State for four years??

    Would you rather have had a popular President (52% approval rating) not give a speech endorsing his potential successor? How would that look to the rest of the country if Democrats shut him out of the convention?

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Uh, have you listened to him? He can't finish a sentence without saying something like she is carrying on his work. Endorsing her is fine but patting himself on the back is not .
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Uh, have you listened to him? He can't finish a sentence without saying something like she is carrying on his work. Endorsing her is fine but patting himself on the back is not .

    Really? Patting himself on the back for helping bring the unemployment rate to near record lows? What about patting himself on the back for passing a health care law that gave tens of millions of previously uninsured Americans health coverage for the first time in their lives? And don't even get me started on the fact that he should be patting himself on the back for walking us back from the brink of a complete and total economic catastrophe.

    Why shouldn't he be patting himself on the back? Because coal jobs are gone? I'm sorry Chet, but coal is killing our planet and we have zero use for it anymore. I know you can't bring yourself to accept that, but it's true. Why don't you get on board and get your union guys to leave the coal mines and join the clean energy economy? That's a job that will always be needed because the sun and wind are limitless and neither of them will pollute our air with deadly toxins.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Uh, have you listened to him? He can't finish a sentence without saying something like she is carrying on his work. Endorsing her is fine but patting himself on the back is not .

    Really? Patting himself on the back for helping bring the unemployment rate to near record lows? What about patting himself on the back for passing a health care law that gave tens of millions of previously uninsured Americans health coverage for the first time in their lives? And don't even get me started on the fact that he should be patting himself on the back for walking us back from the brink of a complete and total economic catastrophe.

    Why shouldn't he be patting himself on the back? Because coal jobs are gone? I'm sorry Chet, but coal is killing our planet and we have zero use for it anymore. I know you can't bring yourself to accept that, but it's true. Why don't you get on board and get your union guys to leave the coal mines and join the clean energy economy? That's a job that will always be needed because the sun and wind are limitless.

    Did you listen to Hillary's speech? Did you hear her say people are upset ? Did you hear Hillary say she hears them? Did you hear her say they have reason to be upset? It is not consistent with Obama. He is saying as you say and have just said what a rosy peachy everything is great presidency he had trying to establish his presidency. It doesn't make sense for him to contradict Hillary .
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    "And don't even get me started on the fact that he should be patting himself on the back for walking us back from the brink of a complete and total economic catastrophe."

    He did the absolute minimum and we are on the brink of another crash. I hear mortgage advertisements now saying reduced paperwork, reduced proof of income, reduced number of appraisals.

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Did you listen to Hillary's speech? Did you hear her say people are upset ? Did you hear Hillary say she hears them? Did you hear her say they have reason to be upset? It is not consistent with Obama. He is saying as you say and have just said what a rosy peachy everything is great presidency he had trying to establish his presidency. It doesn't make sense for him to contradict Hillary .

    I'm not sure we watched the same speech. And I'm not sure we watched the same embrace between President Obama and Secretary Clinton two nights ago.

    Get over yourself Chet. Get over the fact that your coal mining industry is falling into the dustbins of history. I know you feel like you are an expert on things, but you are no expert. All you are is someone who is angry your industry no longer has the power it used to have.

    The world and our country is moving on and you can either get on board or get left behind.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Since you have nothing relevsnt to say and you obviously did not perceive Hillary's speech you say something irrelevant like the following : " over the fact that your coal mining industry is falling into the dustbins of history. I know you feel like you are an expert on things, but you are no expert."

    Nonsensical and as much nonsense as your three nonsense replies to the out of work coal miners. First the typical right wing Limbaugh response: "they are too lazy to look for a job". Second you say that out of work people should move absolutely ignorant of the realism that it takes at least $5000 to relocate . And thirdly the most childish you blame coal miners for polluting the atmosphere. And then you always ignore anything problematic. You still have not answered my question about who said they would bet any amount of money that Trump wouldn't get the nomination or elected. You did not hear Hillary's speech if you did not hear her acknowledge the angry people. I do know this for sure and that is people criticize mostly there guilt. You profess expertise with every stroke of the keypad. I am not complaing because I really do appreciate and hopefully share the entertainment provided by consistently responding.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    From Hillary's acceptance speech, read it and weep: "I’ve gone around our country talking to working families. And I’ve heard from so many of you who feel like the economy just isn’t working.
    Some of you are frustrated – even furious.
    And you know what? You’re right.
    It’s not yet working the way it should.
    Americans are willing to work – and work hard."
  • Liberal Democrat
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    I'll add my perspective to the conversation.

    The United States economy relative to the rest of the major industrialized countries is doing quite well despite having Republicans sabotage Obama's efforts including blocking a jobs bill to rebuild infrastructure. However, while we can admire the steady job growth as a whole, we must acknowledge that the growth has not been even. Some cities and geographical areas have flourished and have become a magnet for migration from those cities/areas that have not done so well. This is nothing new. You can go back hundreds of years and find older communities that have seen better days, whether it be plantations in the south that were highly dependent on slavery and cotton, or mining towns in the west that thrived until the gold veins depleted, or logging towns or fishing communities or certain manufacturing cities or now coal country.

    There are multiple reasons for towns dying, but the number one reason is market forces driven by competition (domestic and foreign), technology (automation) and resources. Labor intensive companies are always vulnerable to workers being replaced by robots. It's happening all over the world all the time. Education is the key to keeping up with the changing times...that and an entrepreneurial spirit. Companies die and new companies rise up to take their place. It's a fact of life. No job is forever.

    Workers have adapted to the changing economic demographics by migrating to where the work is. However, there is a certain segment of the population that either won't leave or cannot leave. In some cases they have rebuilt their communities around a new industry. My state of Colorado is an example of that with fashionable ski towns like Breckenridge, Aspen, and Vail replacing the old gold mining camps. In many cases tourism is the driver for halting decline, but it does require a commitment from the locals and young energetic people to drive the transformation. If young people have left, the community will eventually die.

    Coal country in that respect is no different. However, they also have dug a big hole for themselves with mountain top removal and mining methods that have destroyed the environment in which they live. Hillary Clinton has recognized the unique problems with coal country and has sought the input of many experts and the community leaders themselves in developing a plan to revitalize coal communities. It's been on her website since last November. She has pushed it but somehow has trouble competing with Donald Trump who "promises" to bring back the coal mining jobs rather than transform the communities.

    Chet, I have brought this up in prior threads. I don't know if you have read it. But read it and give us your expert opinion on why it can or cannot work. Then you can share your views with Hillary because one thing I can assure you is that Hillary listens. Her plan is a product of listening, and she has no problems about revising it or tweaking it based on criticism. That's why she has posted not only this plan on the internet, but all of her plans to be viewed by everyone.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt, I wasn't complaining about Obama plugging his legacy. The entire point of my post is he doesn't do any good for Hillary by contradicting her campaign. She has said she is going to fix the problems. Obama says there are no problems. If he keeps it up there is going to be a huge credibility problem. That is the point of my thread.

    As far as the coal mining depression. I worked in deep mines in Ohio and WVA. One mine we went down 700 feet and then traveled 5 miles on trolley cars to the work site. And those are the best confitions. Some mines have tunnels that are only two feet high. Workers crawl on their bellies to work. I could care less and wish that life on nobody. I get sidetracked arguing with jaredsxtn because he is hysterical. As far as the people that work in the mines in the remote areas they need special help. They grow up and live isolated from modern life. The mobile adaptable people left as work diminished. The people left are special with special needs. I don't know how much society is willing to help them. Hillary has made a lot of new promses. There are no repercussions for her not helping the out of work miners. Further more there are multiple sights of natural gas wells that were developed 40 years ago that have been left untapped. They were described as the most "powerful" wells discovered. As they came in they were described as sounding like 747's coming in. The deterioration of the mining industry came as the result of oil companies buying mining assets starting in the middle seventies. There was an onslaught of labor problems that appeared to be construed by the oil companies to promote oil. But whatever the overall lesson is that big money will do what it wants to promote their interest. Pandering and appealing to the coal towns is just that. When you talk about mountain topping that is minimal compared to all the natural history I have seen ground up and shipped out on conveyor belts for fuel. Remember what coal is. Fossils. I have seen fossils 20 feet long ground up. Some of the guys used to collect prime specimens for their kids.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Certainly Obama pushed the accomplishments of his administration, and there are lots of things to feel upbeat about if you read the transcript of his convention speech. But also, like he has always done, he acknowledged that there is more work to do:

    "By so many measures, our country is stronger and more prosperous than it was when we started. And through every victory and every setback, I've insisted that change is never easy, and never quick; that we wouldn't meet all of our challenges in one term, or one presidency, or even in one lifetime.

    "So tonight, I'm here to tell you that yes, we've still got more work to do. More work to do for every American still in need of a good job or a raise, paid leave or a decent retirement; for every child who needs a sturdier ladder out of poverty or a world-class education; for everyone who has not yet felt the progress of these past seven-and-a-half years. We need to keep making our streets safer and our criminal justice system fairer; our homeland more secure, and our world more peaceful and sustainable for the next generation."

    "So if you agree that there's too much inequality in our economy, and too much money in our politics, we all need to be as vocal and as organized and as persistent as Bernie Sanders' supporters have been during this election.

    "We all need to get out and vote for Democrats up and down the ticket, and then hold them accountable until they get the job done.

    "That's right, feel the Bern!

    "If you want more justice in the justice system, then we've all got to vote, not just for a president, but for mayors and sheriffs and state's attorneys and state legislators. That's where the criminal law is made. And we've got to work with police and protesters until laws and practices are changed. That's how democracy works."

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    The bottom line is that I did not see any inconsistency between the two speeches. President Obama needed to champion the progress already made because so many Republicans and pundits are not giving him credit for accomplishing anything. He has said on many occasions that the work is never done, and now he is passing the baton onto Hillary to continue to fight inequality. Hillary says how she is going to do it. The word "how" is missing from Trump's speeches.

    Regarding the coal community, I can understand what you are saying. But I really would like you to take a critical line by line look at Hillary Clinton's plan for coal country and tell me what could work and what not. Don't be dismissive of the whole thing as just another set of promises. That's a cop out.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I'll do that for sure. But remember I am only saying that Obama is like the bridesmaid and he doesn't need to do anything but make Hillary shine.