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Trump and NATO


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  • Dutch
    2016-07-21 08:47:41 PM
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    The total nonsense this Trump guy spews out about NATO is totally absurd. I agree that the US policy related to NATO right now is not working The US is pushing their military junk through the throat of NATO; thereby ruining the military industry in Europe.

    Europe has plenty of great industries who often make much better suited products for the European environment.

    For instance the French have an great aircraft industry; like Dassault, Brequet, Aerospatiale etc. and others building super fighters and planes helicopters etc., which are lighter and faster and cheaper than any US plane. FN in Belgium makes the best guns there are, which do not jamb like some of our guns. Germany has MBB , Krups, Man etc. Eurofighter builders as well helicopters etc,

    Thus the only reason the US has interest in NATO is pushing their weapons, which these countries absolutely don't get for free. For instance the US forced the Dutch to take the biggest piece of shit; the F35 while they did not want it. What are you going to do with an couple of these, which cost another fortune to maintain or train the pilots for it, while this country has plenty of F16's which were built in that country itself, thus gave jobs there etc. Where are you going to fly these couple of F35's on this postage stamp? Again this country only wants to force people to buy their junk to make MONEY, for their industry and their billionaires.

    Sorry this has nothing at all something to do with protecting Europe. All of this is posturing and false information.

    Russia will not attack Europe; they need Europe ( supply oil and gas in return for western goodies). Also they have have not forgotten WWII on their soil. The US is continuously provoking the Russians and irritating them. The Ukraine issue is between Russia and the Ukraine (not the US); only an border issue because some idiot drew the wrong borders after the war. Such can be easily solved by redrawing/negotiating this border. But the US wants to meddle and object of course; we like wars much better. Also the stationing of US troops all over Europe does not benefit Europe at all; all the supplies are flown in from the US, so the local people don't make a penny on these noisy intruders forced on to them. Sorry our foreign policies stink. All our wars are proof of that! Even worse with Trump. This is the European view of this subject.

  • Schmidt
    2016-07-21 09:51:39 PM
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    The Washington Post Fact Checker assigns three Pinocchios (mostly false, significant factual error and/or obvious contradictions) to Trump's claim that the U.S. pays the ‘lion’s share’ for NATO. In terms of total cost or costs as a percent of GDP, the United States does pay a disproportionate share, but the numbers are misleading because of the global reach of the US military machine. And as Dutch points out, there are intangible benefits to American contractors who supply (sell) the largest portion of the weaponry to NATO countries. It's a good deal for the American military industrial complex. If Trump gets his way (assuming he's elected), his threats against NATO and NATO funding will be met with considerable resistance.

    The Fact Check article linked above provides a pretty good analysis of military spending by NATO countries.

    Nevertheless, Trump's message seems to resonate with a large portion of the Republican base...but also the Bernie Sanders faction of the liberal base.

  • Dutch
    2016-07-22 08:54:51 AM
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    The Washington Post Fact Checker assigns three Pinocchios (mostly false, significant factual error and/or obvious contradictions) to Trump's claim that the U.S. pays the ‘lion’s share’ for NATO. In terms of total cost or costs as a percent of GDP, the United States does pay a disproportionate share, but the numbers are misleading because of the global reach of the US military machine. And as Dutch points out, there are intangible benefits to American contractors who supply (sell) the largest portion of the weaponry to NATO countries. It's a good deal for the American military industrial complex. If Trump gets his way (assuming he's elected), his threats against NATO and NATO funding will be met with considerable resistance.

    The Fact Check article linked above provides a pretty good analysis of military spending by NATO countries.

    Nevertheless, Trump's message seems to resonate with a large portion of the Republican base...but also the Bernie Sanders faction of the liberal base.

    Thanks Schmidt, at least you are one of the Americans who thinks further than this "island", as always you do your research beyond our borders, which most of our members never do.

    Yes indeed, just like Britain some EU members may want to leave as well, which then also may affect NATO agreements and free them of any military commitments and then take care of their own affairs. That was the reason the US was so against the Brits leaving the EU. Just like you say it is just an money issue to make our war industry rich.

  • Dutch
    2016-07-24 10:10:13 AM
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    Again on the George show Sunday morning the issue about protecting against Russia came up again. It is really pathetic on how the Democrats judge Russia. They still think Russia is still as it was under the USSR and an threat against us. Sorry where are the brains. They have the same gadgets as us, plenty of billionaires, Ferrari's galore, and help us to get to the space station. Their technical developments are just about as good as here; just look at their computer hacking then you should know enough. Thus in other words as Trump says, Putin is not all that bad as painted by us. As I said before, our objective in the world is, to sell weapons and we don't care about the consequences; just fill up NATO with our junk. Russia's relationship/trade with Europe never has been better. The most friction comes from here by placing missiles in Romenia and Poland. European trade with Russia is key to have an good relationship; however the US is ruining that. Especially in the Democratic party they still think this is 1960; we should help Europe to defend themselves against Russia. However if the Trump plan will ask Europe to pay for our help, then I would not be surprised that Europe will kick out the American forces with their junk. I hope so! Anyway Europe has enough knowledge to produce their own defenses as required. The US dictation and meddling will eventually backfire, because as well Russia and Europe will be fed up with it.

    Our forever objective to create and needle our self proclaimed enemy's like Russia and China will of course create counter reactions. The same as with our drone program, which creates only more terrorist, but does not get rid of them.

    Our foreign policies, which are totally wrong by both parties need an urgent overhaul.

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