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Hillary Haters Need to Get a Grip

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  • jaredsxtn
    2016-07-20 05:48:51 PM
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    This is not a conciliatory message to Hillary haters who also insist they are left leaning.

    This is me telling you to grow up and stop throwing a hissy fit because your candidate didn't win in the Democratic Primary. This is me telling you that the system isn't rigged and that Bernie Sanders earned 3,775,437 fewer votes and 359 fewer PLEDGED delegates in the 2016 Democratic Presidential Primary.

    I hate to break it to you, but Super Delegates didn't steal the primary from Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders lost the primary fair and square. So it is now time for you to get a grip and accept that you lost fair and square.

    There are winners and losers in everything. My Cubbies haven't won a World Series since 1908, but I'm not claiming the MLB is rigged just because I don't like that they haven't won since 1908. They haven't won since 1908 because there were better teams that beat them for the past 114 years.

    The same goes in politics. Just because your preferred candidate didn't win doesn't mean that the entire system is rigged. It just means that more people voted for someone who wasn't your preferred candidate. Get over it. That is what democracy is all about.

    Bernie supporters who think that Trump would be a better President than Clinton will be in for a very rude awakening come January 20, 2017.

    A racist fascist would be handed the keys to the nuclear codes and have the ability to wage nuclear war with anyone who sends a mean Tweet his way. He would also be able to use the Attorney Generals office to wage war on anyone he considers a political enemy. And don't even get me started about the really, really, great Supreme Court Justices he will pack the court with.

    Get over yourselves anti-Hillary "Democrats." The future of our democracy is more important than registering a protest vote this November because the nominee only agrees with your preferred candidate on 91% and not 100% of the issues.

  • Chet Ruminski
    2016-07-21 01:32:31 AM
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    jaredsxtonian Democracy. Vote how I tell you to vote or else.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2016-07-21 01:40:15 AM
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    You guys incrementalized yourselves in a corner and now you are going to blame the Trump you created on us?
  • TJ
    2016-07-21 08:10:26 AM
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    I thought this spoke volumes.

    facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/photos/a.3...

  • Chet Ruminski
    2016-07-21 08:45:30 AM
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    Thanks for the link TJ. I have never looked at Facebook for political sights.
  • jaredsxtn
    2016-07-21 11:12:40 AM
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: jaredsxtonian Democracy. Vote how I tell you to vote or else.
    Chetonian Democracy - Throw a hissy fit when a preferred candidate loses their primary and then insist the only way Democrats will win is by thwarting the will of the voters and nominate someone who lost the Democratic primary by over three million votes.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2016-07-21 11:41:34 AM
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    My hissy fit says Hillary can lose with as much certainty as Bernie can win. You are overriding logic. There is nothing Hillary is doing to errode Trump's support. Look at the facts: Trump promises not only to not raise the minimum wage, he promises to keep wages low and also keep them competitive with foreign wages. Since USA wages now are not competitive with foreign wages that can only mean he wants to cut wages. He publicly mocked a handicapped person. He does on his own what others would do to sabatoge his campaign yet he grows in popularity. Unless Hillary has some secret unveiled plan she can't stop Trump. I told you he would turn plaigergate into a bonus for him as soon as it happened. So he even does better by for giving the person that supposedly caused it. So what is Hillary's camp going to do? Boost his standing even higher by proving it was a conspiracy? To use Schmidt's answer. They are wired differently and it is working. Schmidt said that about me not Trump but it applies.

  • Chet Ruminski
    2016-07-21 12:05:57 PM
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    This is not a conciliatory message to Hillary haters who also insist they are left leaning.

    This is me telling you to grow up and stop throwing a hissy fit because your candidate didn't win in the Democratic Primary. This is me telling you that the system isn't rigged and that Bernie Sanders earned 3,775,437 fewer votes and 359 fewerHow EDGED delgoins in the 2016 Democratic PresiIucan dential Primary.

    I hate to break it to you, but Super Delegates didn't steal the primary from Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders lost the primary fair and square. So it is now time for you to get a grip and accept that you lost fair and square.

    There are winners and losers in everything. My Cubbies haven't won a World Series since 1908, but I'm not claiming the MLB is rigged just because I don't like that they haven't won since 1908. They haven't won since 1908 because there were better teams that beat them for the past 114 years.

    The same goes in politics. Just because your preferred candidate didn't win doesn't mean that the entire system is rigged. It just means that more people voted for someone who wasn't your preferred candidate. Get over it. That is what democracy is all about.

    Bernie supporters who think that Trump would be a better President than Clinton will be in for a very rude awakening come January 20, 2017.

    A racist fascist would be handed the keys to the nuclear codes and have the ability to wage nuclear war with anyone who sends a mean Tweet his way. He would also be able to use the Attorney Generals office to wage war on anyone he considers a political enemy. And don't even get me started about the really, really, great Supreme Court Justices he will pack the court with.

    Get over yourselves anti-Hillary "Democrats." The future of our democracy is more important than registering a protest vote this November because the nominee only agrees with your preferred candidate on 91% and not 100% of the issues.

    When Trump and his family are on TV looking like the cast of "Rich and Beautiful" saying they hear and are going to do something, the message that comes across is " you can have this too". Hillary and incrementalism are tripping over their contradictions. So Bill is going to fix the economy that in another speech is the economy that is doing well. You said that you wanted Trump to be the Republican nominee. He is so what is the plan now?
  • jaredsxtn
    2016-07-21 01:35:41 PM
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: My hissy fit says Hillary can lose with as much certainty as Bernie can win.
    And my response is that unless you are a prophet then you can't make conclusive statements about something that will happen months from now.

    Hilly won every single state that Democrats must win in November during the primary. She won Ohio by 165,717 votes, Pennsylvania by 198,734 votes, Florida by 530,797 votes, and Virginia by 227,851 votes.

    She also won the vast majority of reliably blue states. California: +438,537, New York: +290,614, Illinois: +35,827. I can go on and on, but hopefully you get my point.

    On the Republican side Trump lost Ohio by 229,177 votes, got 25,987 fewer votes than Clinton in Pennslyvania, 20,179 fewer votes than Clinton in Florida, and 147,398 fewer votes than Clinton in Virginia.

    2016 Republican Popular Vote

    2016 Democratic Popular Vote

    Just because you believe something in your heart of hearts doesn't mean that you're right. Bernie lost the states Democrats MUST win this November and he lost the vast majority of them decisively.

    How you have convinced yourself that he is some knight in shining armor that will sweep in and save the day baffles me, but it's your right to think whatever you want to think. One thing you are not entitled to is creating your own facts.

  • Chet Ruminski
    2016-07-21 04:09:02 PM
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    I have no facts or claim to have any. I make and made my prediction based solely on personal opinion. The USA is a boiling cauldron (personal opinion) that is producing and going to produce unrest and violence. Bill Clinton's presidency was a social and economic disaster of policies and laws. Hillary was intimately involved with and worked to help create and pass the policies and laws. If and when Trump connects Hillary to 2008 and the laws that help create the income gap she will have a problem. He may not do that because it will reflect poorly on the GOP.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2016-07-21 04:15:20 PM
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    "that he(Bernie) is some knight in shining armor that will sweep in and save the day baffles me,"

    This country desparately needs all and more of Bernie's and FDR's and H.Humphrey's and McGovern's and other progressive's ideas.

  • jaredsxtn
    2016-07-21 04:44:41 PM
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: I have no facts or claim to have any. I make and made my prediction based solely on personal opinion. The USA is a boiling cauldron (personal opinion) that is producing and going to produce unrest and violence. Bill Clinton's presidency was a social and economic disaster of policies and laws. Hillary was intimately involved with and worked to help create and pass the policies and laws. If and when Trump connects Hillary to 2008 and the laws that help create the income gap she will have a problem. He may not do that because it will reflect poorly on the GOP.
    Tell that to the millions of Americans who rose up out of poverty during the 90's.

    I think the underlying issue here is white resentment in many areas of the country. I'm not saying that you are a racist, but I believe that you look at everything through the prism of how things used to be for working class white people in this country. We are rapidly becoming a majority minority country and some people just can't wrap their heads around that fact.

    Ask some black Americans (I hate the term African American because we are all Americans) if they think things are worse off now than they were in the 1960's, 70's, or 80's. I'm sure they might give you a different answer.

    The unrest and violence you fear will come from upset white people who no longer have their fingers tipping the scale in their favor. They will come from the people who were given one hell of a deal when they were young, but now have to compete with people who are smarter and look differently than them. And they have to compete with modern technology that has replaced their jobs.

    That is not Bill Clinton's fault. That is not Barack Obama's fault. And it sure as shit isn't Hillary Clinton's fault.

  • jaredsxtn
    2016-07-21 04:59:46 PM
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: This country desparately needs all and more of Bernie's and FDR's and H.Humphrey's and 's and McGovern other progressive's ideas.

    It's quite interesting how you bring up George McGovern considering how much you hate the current Democratic nominating process. He and Senator Fred R. Harris worked together to take the nominating process away from party bosses and give it to the people in the respective states.

    They succeeded and we now have the nomination process that you want to take away from the people and hand the nomination to someone who earned millions of fewer votes than the presumptive nominee.

    What many people in America need to learn is that we are a country of over 300 million people who have over 300 million different opinions. Bernie may have riled up the progressive base in portions of America, but his vision for America terrified many people in other parts.

    I agree with the vast majority of things that Bernie stands for. I want public universities to be paid for with taxpayer dollars. I want single-payer healthcare. I want to have a thriving middle class that doesn't have to worry about their next mortgage payment or how they will keep food on the table for their families. I want all of those things.

    I also understand that the days where my grandpa could support his wife and three children off his salary aren't coming back. May dad grew up during the glorious days where one person could support an entire family. What we often forget about those days is that this only applied to white families and that the words "computer" or "internet" didn't exist yet.

  • Chet Ruminski
    2016-07-21 08:16:44 PM
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    "I also understand that the days where my grandpa could support his wife and three children off his salary aren't coming back. "

    It is easy an attainable by simply outlawing what took it away. Non interested party speculative trading. Blast CFMA off the books and "Happy Days Are Here Again" !!!!

  • jaredsxtn
    2016-07-22 12:27:15 PM
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    "I also understand that the days where my grandpa could support his wife and three children off his salary aren't coming back. "

    You seem to have read the first sentence but not the rest of the paragraph. I was pointing out how my dad was a product of white privilege who grew up during a time when all forms of government wrote laws that explicitly gave white people power while at the same time explicitly making it impossible for people of color to compete.

    It was more a condemnation of our past and not about how wonderful of an era it was.

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