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Trump Picks Social Warrior Gov. Mike Pence As His Running Mate

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Multiple outlets are reporting that homophobic, transphobic, and overall terrible human being Governor Mike Pence will be named as Donald Trump's running mate during a news conference tomorrow. The blatantly political pandering to social conservatives is of no surprise considering Donald Trump have proven time and again that he is willing to say or do anything in order to win in November.

    I'm not surprised that Trump is going with Pence, but I honestly wonder if his pick is going to appeal to any independent minded or moderate voters who will be key to winning in November. A Christian warrior who signed a law allowing any and everyone in his state to openly and legally discriminate against anyone they want to is hardly the kind of person who will excite someone who is sick and tired of fighting the already lost social wars.

    So I must admit that I'm pretty happy with this pick. I already believed that Democrats had overwhelming odds in their favor and that belief has only grown now that we know Pence will be Trumps running mate. I honestly can't wait until Hillary chooses her running mate and we see the glaring discrepancies between the two parties.

    One party is openly hostile to women, minorities, gays, and pretty much anyone who isn't a white man. The other embraces people of all nationalities, genders, religions, and beliefs. Let's hope that this November 8th marks the day we see the Republican Party officially goes the way of the Whigs and Know Nothings.

  • Center Left
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    I read that he (Pence) had been selected also. Just now 3:04 pm(est) I hear on MSNBC that it's not final. They are reporting it's down to 3. Christy, Gingrich, and Pence. I think Gingrich makes sense as he has govt. experience. Trump has zero. The religious right wouldn't like him because he's on marriage 3 as is DTrump. Christy has become the go get lunch guy. Who knows how it will be decided.
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    TJ Wrote: I read that he (Pence) had been selected also. Just now 3:04 pm I hear on MSNBC that it's not final. They are reporting it's down to 3. Christy, Gingrich, and Pence.

    It's not final, but the Trump campaign would have quashed the rumors by now if they weren't going to be picking Pence. He's also the only of the three "finalists" who wasn't already slated to speak at the convention next week. That's when I knew it was going to be Pence because they would have announced that Pence was going to speak if he wasn't going to be Trump's running mate.

    TJ Wrote: I think Gingrich makes sense as he has govt. experience. Trump has zero. The religious right wouldn't like him because he's on marriage 3 as is DTrump. Christy has become the go get lunch guy. Who knows how it will be decided.

    Gingrich is a buffoon who hasn't served any role in government since 2000. He's also been divorced, which is a big no-no to social conservatives. They may be able to forgive Trump for his multiple divorces, but both candidates not being able to stay faithful to their wives just won't cut it with them.

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    I believe it was suggested that it was Pence but not making it official means all of the news networks are discussing it. The local news in Indiana (and surrounding states), Georgia (and surrounding states), NY/NJ (and surrounding states) are discussing it. This crazy S.O.B., does know how to milk the networks for tons of free press.

    Christy makes no sense. He's a loser. Gingrich may appeal to the south. Pence ????? Indiana is just Indiana. 3 older white men. Who's the whitest of the 3 ?

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Pence is your typical Tea Party Republican, but when it comes to being anti-gay, he leads them all. He's even been an advocate for conversion therapy.

    Ten Times Mike Pence Worked to Defeat the LGBT Community

  • Center Left
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    Demographics aren't important.......

    addictinginfo.org/2016/07/14/a-whopping...

  • Liberal Democrat
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    I can certainly understand ZERO percent African Americans supporting Trump in Pennsylvania. That poll is credible. I'm having a harder time digesting other polls saying Clinton and Trump are near even. I use the word digest as opposed to believe. Maybe after the conventions we will start seeing a truer reflection of how people might vote.

    On another note, Trump has postponed his announcement of Mike Pence as his VP pick because he wouldn't get the media saturation coverage that he is so used to.

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    Schmidt, I agree 100%. I can't imagine that we live in a country with so many stupid people.

    Misogyny: A hatred of women. I don't think 'merica hates women they just think they're close to useless. Sadly too many never had or appreciated the amazing women that they had in their lives. DT talks down to any women who isn't kissing his ass. His uneducated and unrefined followers don't appreciate women either because they too are stupid. It's the only thing that makes any sense. I have thought in a conspiracy theory kinda way.......maybe CNN, Fox, MSNBC and networks can sell commercial time for more money if the content suggests it's more news worthy. I don't believe that but in a sane world this dirt bag would have about 8% of the votes. Again, I'm not saying HRC is without faults, but I believe she's a million times better than the huge piece of garbage on team Republ.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    TJ – Yes I agree. This post is about Mike Pence, but I'll divert for a bit. As you know I have often referenced articles by psychologists in this website to help understand our political divide. Some of it is in our genes, but with Trump and his faithful band of followers, even conventional psychological profiles are stupefying at times. From my layman’s perspective, I lay much of the blame on the Republican Party for their incessant sabotaging of President Obama’s presidency as he worked to extract ourselves from the Great Recession. It created an “anti-establishment” backlash where both parties were to be blamed equally. But understanding this new mindset is more difficult.

    Max Ehrenfreund of the Washington Post had an interesting article in October 2015, “I asked psychologists to analyze Trump supporters. This is what I learned.” Quoting Ehrenfreund:

    "From a psychological perspective, though, the people backing Trump are perfectly normal. Interviews with psychologists and other experts suggest one explanation for the candidate's success -- and for the collective failure to anticipate it: The political elite hasn't confronted a few fundamental, universal and uncomfortable facts about the human mind.

    "We like people who talk big.

    ""We like people who tell us that our problems are simple and easy to solve, even when they aren't.

    "And we don't like people who don't look like us.

    "Most people share these characteristics to some degree, but they seem to be especially prevalent among Trump's base."

    He also references John Hibbing, a psychologist at the University of Nebraska, Lincoln. "We have to take this seriously. You can look down your nose if you want to, but these people aren't going away."

    "People like the idea that deep down, the world is simple; that they can grasp it and that politicians can't," Hibbing said. "That's certainly a message that I think Trump is radiating."

    I have often made reference to the difficulty of changing people’s brains when arguing with those with opposing political and religious views. Ehrenfreund references Hibbing’s use of an analogy, an ocean going tanker, to make the same point:

    “He compares the human mind to an ocean-going tanker. Changing the ship's direction takes time, and a map with the new course clearly marked. Instead of dismissing them as crazies, political leaders will have to acknowledge their constituents' biases against all that is complex, uncertain and unfamiliar…"I don't think we can pretend that that's not who we are."

    That is the scary part. When Hibbing talks about our inner biases, we can get into all kinds of deeper stuff. For the Trump folks, it’s just KISS…"keep it simple stupid". That's where Trump trumps our thinking.

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    TJ Wrote:

    Schmidt, I agree 100%. I can't imagine that we live in a country with so many stupid people.

    Misogyny: A hatred of women. I don't think 'merica hates women they just think they're close to useless. Sadly too many never had or appreciated the amazing women that they had in their lives. DT talks down to any women who isn't kissing his ass. His uneducated and unrefined followers don't appreciate women either because they too are stupid. It's the only thing that makes any sense. I have thought in a conspiracy theory kinda way.......maybe CNN, Fox, MSNBC and networks can sell commercial time for more money if the content suggests it's more news worthy. I don't believe that but in a sane world this dirt bag would have about 8% of the votes. Again, I'm not saying HRC is without faults, but I believe she's a million times better than the huge piece of garbage on team Republ.

    Yes Tony, I completely agree; may be now because you made that statement you start believing me for a change. With this Pence guy the "evil-gelicals" are getting it their way, because he's an religious fanatic, thus brain dead like any ISIS figure. Just believing in ghosts and follow those teachings does not make you an leader over an diverse nation. But it fits Trump because he's also an racist, including an religious racist.
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    TJ – Yes I agree. This post is about Mike Pence, but I'll divert for a bit. As you know I have often referenced articles by psychologists in this website to help understand our political divide. Some of it is in our genes, but with Trump and his faithful band of followers, even conventional psychological profiles are stupefying at times. From my layman’s perspective, I lay much of the blame on the Republican Party for their incessant sabotaging of President Obama’s presidency as he worked to extract ourselves from the Great Recession. It created an “anti-establishment” backlash where both parties were to be blamed equally. But understanding this new mindset is more difficult.

    Max Ehrenfreund of the Washington Post had an interesting article in October 2015, “I asked psychologists to analyze Trump supporters. This is what I learned.” Quoting Ehrenfreund:

    "From a psychological perspective, though, the people backing Trump are perfectly normal. Interviews with psychologists and other experts suggest one explanation for the candidate's success -- and for the collective failure to anticipate it: The political elite hasn't confronted a few fundamental, universal and uncomfortable facts about the human mind.

    "We like people who talk big.

    ""We like people who tell us that our problems are simple and easy to solve, even when they aren't.

    "And we don't like people who don't look like us.

    "Most people share these characteristics to some degree, but they seem to be especially prevalent among Trump's base."

    He also references John Hibbing, a psychologist at the University of Nebraska, Lincoln. "We have to take this seriously. You can look down your nose if you want to, but these people aren't going away."

    "People like the idea that deep down, the world is simple; that they can grasp it and that politicians can't," Hibbing said. "That's certainly a message that I think Trump is radiating."

    I have often made reference to the difficulty of changing people’s brains when arguing with those with opposing political and religious views. Ehrenfreund references Hibbing’s use of an analogy, an ocean going tanker, to make the same point:

    “He compares the human mind to an ocean-going tanker. Changing the ship's direction takes time, and a map with the new course clearly marked. Instead of dismissing them as crazies, political leaders will have to acknowledge their constituents' biases against all that is complex, uncertain and unfamiliar…"I don't think we can pretend that that's not who we are."

    That is the scary part. When Hibbing talks about our inner biases, we can get into all kinds of deeper stuff. For the Trump folks, it’s just KISS…"keep it simple stupid". That's where Trump trumps our thinking.

    Schmidt, I agree. Imo, this derives from tribalism. Those who are not of "us" are "them" therefore sub-human. Of course the resolution of problems that are complex themselves will also be complex. When we add in our national mythology we get a complete unwillingness of many to use critical thinking or to consider the law of unintended consequences.

    Sad and frightening.

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    Btw, social warrior? Sociopath perhaps. This idiot is more dangerous than der trumpenfuhrer.
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    lonely bird Wrote: Btw, social warrior? Sociopath perhaps. This idiot is more dangerous than der trumpenfuhrer.
    I was hoping people would understand that I wasn't saying "social warrior" as a positive phrase.

    This ticket is a dream come true for Democrats. Pence has a long history of far right wing legislating. That may excite the base, but anyone who thinks this pick would bring moderate voters into Trump's camp is living in a fantasy world.

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    I am so, so glad I wasn't alone in thinking of Beavis and Butthead when I first saw the new campaign logo for Donald Trump and Mike Pence:

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    It would appear that Trump had cold feet over his own choice of Pence and asked about backing out on Thursday evening.

    Huffington Post: Donald Trump Wanted To Back Out Of Choosing Mike Pence For Veep: Reports

    "Donald Trump is famous for decisively firing people. But according to multiple reports on Friday, the presumptive GOP presidential nominee tried and failed to fire his own running mate ― all before he’d even formally announced who he was.

    "CNN’s Dana Bash and NBC News’ Kelly O’Donnell both reported that Trump got cold feet Thursday night over his apparent veep choice, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence. According to Bash, Trump was “so unsure” about his offer to Pence that “around midnight last night, he asked aides if he could get out of it.”

    The answer was no.

    Not a good start for the decider-in-chief.