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President Obama's Dallas Speech

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    johnnycee Wrote: Pr. you honestly believe that less than 2% of the police who go and do things against the oath of their office represents the other 98%, you also refuse to believe the stats that bear that out,so if it's not hate or bias that you show and post about , then what is it?

    The problem is that those 2% of officers have the ability to shoot and kill American citizens. Then the blue wall of silence steps in and the other 98% of officers either refuse to or are scared to report on that 2%. After that the District Attorneys who go out to lunch with the police chief every Friday do everything in their power to make sure that a police officer who shot and killed an American citizen never sees the inside of a courtroom, let alone the inside of a prison cell.

    If you honestly believe that there is not an inherent racial bias when it comes to policing then you are living in a fantasy world. I encourage you to watch Senator Tim Scott's (Republican) speech on racial profiling that he gave on the Senate floor. I may not agree with him on 95% of the issues, but he is spot on here.

    Here's a few tidbits--Capitol Police have stopped him on numerous occasions and accused him of trying to unlawfully enter the Senate chamber. He also has been stopped seven times in one year for driving while black in a white neighborhood.

    Hell, I haven't been stopped by police seven times in my entire life. And trust me--I have a lead foot and have taken months to fix a tail light that was out just because I was too lazy to do so. I was even pulled over one time for going 25 over the speed limit and the cop damn near apologized to me for pulling me over and disturbing my day before he gave me a written warning and told me to have a wonderful day. If that's not white privilege then I have no idea what is.

    The list goes on and on, so I encourage you to take 15 minutes of your day and watch it. Then try to keep insisting that there isn't a real and systemic problem in this country when it comes to police relations with people of color.

    Don't worry though--none of us will hold our breaths hoping that you will have any revelation and change your mind about things after (or if) you watch Senator Scott's speech.

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    Obama is great at giving speeches. Unfortunately, he has had to give the sad ones more than anything lately. Looks like he is going to have to give another one tonight on Nice, Paris.
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    The Blue Wall of Silence that you speak of is mostly because so many people want instant gratification aka justice,because there are very few places where an officer can go or to people who can help him or her thru this situation without being worried about his feelings being misconstrued as a sign of guilt,then you have politicians and various activist's who are pushing a certain personal agenda by asking questions that cannot be answered because of procedural rules regarding any investigations, and then you have the press speculating as to what the facts are regardless of whether their ideas of what happened is true or not. The press/media does it for ratings and circulation , the politicians and activist's do it for either votes or credibility, but very few do it for finding the truth or justice, this is why cops are advised and often ordered to keep your mouth shut until the investigation is complete.
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    JC, I entirely disagree. I'm a 55 yr old white guy who's never had a personal conflict with cops. I have a fraction of the respect for them that you think I should have. In my opinion, you could watch a bad copy kill two families in cold blood and walk out of there saying how brave the guy was and make up whatever story suited you. I think most cops are cowards who piss their pants on a regular basis. Good news though. Because of your job you can do whatever, whenever and never be questioned. I am sick of persons being pulled over for a bad tail light and 3 minutes later they're dead on the ground. I think the slippery slope from military to police should be eliminated immediately. I know your group have spent several decades on a pedestal but in my opinion that is not deserved. You talk about 2% of cops being bad (not that another cop would ever voice those feelings) but in my opinion it's closer to 80% bad and 20% good. Roll your eyes and curse if it makes you feel better. I think the nation of persons who have been abused for many decades, abused and killed, tearing up families...... will be something that will get worse before it get's better. Your team created this $hitty mess and now you think why should it matter ? We can't be questioned. Karma will bite you in the ass one day. God has a way of balancing the scales. Watch out.........
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    TJ Wrote: JC, I entirely disagree. I'm a 55 yr old white guy who's never had a personal conflict with cops. I have a fraction of the respect for them that you think I should have. In my opinion, you could watch a bad copy kill two families in cold blood and walk out of there saying how brave the guy was and make up whatever story suited you. I think most cops are cowards who piss their pants on a regular basis. Good news though. Because of your job you can do whatever, whenever and never be questioned. I am sick of persons being pulled over for a bad tail light and 3 minutes later they're dead on the ground. I think the slippery slope from military to police should be eliminated immediately. I know your group have spent several decades on a pedestal but in my opinion that is not deserved. You talk about 2% of cops being bad (not that another cop would ever voice those feelings) but in my opinion it's closer to 80% bad and 20% good. Roll your eyes and curse if it makes you feel better. I think the nation of persons who have been abused for many decades abused and killed tearing up families...... will be something that will get worse before it get's better. Your team created this $hitty mess and now you think why should it matter ? We can't be questioned. Karma will bite you in the ass one day. God has a way of balancing the scales. Watch out.........
    You can disagree all you want as this is your right but I don't know what story your referencing about a cop killing two families and walking away, unless of course you are just embellishing your tale, and you sound more like PR with unreasonable hate for Law Enforcement, there are more bad Doctors than cops who kill, do you hate and lack respect for them,as for being cowardly , did you happen to have noticed that in Dallas the cops covered the civilians to aid in their safety and then ran , yes ran to the gunfire, if that's what you mean by being a coward then I stand with them, and I can assure I never turned my back on civilians and ran away. now as far as that 2% is concerned, that is figure put out many different police watch dog groups including the CDC.
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    The guys who protected citizens in Dallas were great. I will stick to my 80/20 idea. Yes I was making a suggested story line earlier. It was in the theme of cops never question cops.

    I read many stories on facebook earlier that questioned cops. In the comment section there's a lot of white citizens who say a cop would never question another cops motives. It was suggested that if one was to do so, they (their lives) would be threatened and the threats would include the questioning cops families. The Mafia is what it sounds like! I think it's dysfunctional at best and not in the interest of this country.

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    Now what the officers did in Dallas is the norm for 98% of all the other cops in this nation, , the 80/20 ratio you use is just a made up number of yours,and it doesn't help towards any better understanding of the matter if you use imaginary stats. just saying there is a systemic amount of racism doesn't make it so, there is no supportive evidence to back up those claims on a nationwide basis. You can't believe talking points.
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    So JC when are you going to wake up from your deep sleep and finally realize what is happening in this country and why?

    You think that anyone who criticizes the police is anti police. I have news for you - people want the police to treat them they way they want to be treated. When the police begin to respect every citizens rights citizens will respect them!

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    What we learned in Britain in the Nineteenth Century was avoid armed police at all costs, and when a high proportion of them are racists - you can hardly argue that only the murderers are racist - it is time to disband them and get some decent people. We discovered our police were institutionally racist some years ago, and have tried to do something about it. Yet I'd say that British police are radically egalitarian compared with what we hear of the American lot.
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    pr Wrote:

    So JC when are you going to wake up from your deep sleep and finally realize what is happening in this country and why?

    You think that anyone who criticizes the police is anti police. I have news for you - people want the police to treat them they way they want to be treated. When the police begin to respect every citizens rights citizens will respect them!

    I am all for criticizing but constructively , when you claim or use unsubstantiated data to put forth your narrative, when you use personal venom to make your point, when you paint with a broad brush the misdeeds of a very small minority of bad cops to include a large majority of police officers just to further your personal agenda, then I tend to think that that person is anti-police.
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    johnnycee Wrote: I am all for criticizing but constructively

    Are the families of unarmed black men killed by police officers supposed to constructively criticize the police that killed their son, father, brother, or cousin?

    How would you suggest any of us constructively criticize a system that allows police to get away with killing unarmed American citizens with zero repercussions? How would you suggest we constructively criticize a system that lets a police officer play judge, jury, and executioner?

    Should we preface every statement with "I love police and everything that they do, but, by golly, I just really don't get warm and fuzzy inside whenever I see an unarmed young black man laying in his own blood after being shot multiple times by a hero police officer who was only trying to protect and serve the community he loves"?


    Hell--I often ask myself if some cops purposefully shoot unarmed black kids so they can take a months long paid vacation. Think about it. What better way to get paid for doing nothing for a few months? They know they will never see the inside of a courtroom or prison cell considering the system is set up in a way that let's them do whatever they want and get away with it.

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    Boy when you go off the tracks , you go off, lets start with constructive criticism, rather than immediately blaming the cops before any facts are known, let the facts come forth first then criticize as to what went wrong, rather then start to riot and destroy property and other innocent lives as some sort of , I don't know , a memorial, to the dead person. Police do not get away with murder as you suggest, as a matter of fact there are several cops doing time for their actions that cost someone their life, what you seem to suggest is that if you personally feel that it was a murder irrespective of the facts and the cops were found not guilty, you include this in your narrative against cops that cops get away with murder,that makes it a false narrative. sometimes I get the feeling that you believe that all citizens have a right to not comply with any Law Enforcement Officers commands,that you have the right to resist without any form of accountability, and that your idea of redress for any perception on your part justifies any destructive actions that you or they may take against the authorities even to to the extent of harming innocent civilians. That is called anarchy.
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    The problem is that cops are held to a different standard of "facts." They can be video taped shooting an unarmed black teenager and all they have to do is say they feared for their lives and all will be forgiven.

    The DA who just went out to lunch with the Police Chief would never, ever want to upset the chief and actually charge one of his cops. What kind of standard would that set?! Police might actually come to believe that their actions could have consequences.

    And we have all seen what happens when a DA actually has the balls to charge police with a crime. The police unions throw a conniption fit, take to Fox News to press their case, and wage war against an out of control prosecutor who had the audacity to charge a cop with a crime.

    That's where we are at as a country. Murderous cops know they will never see the inside of a prison cell because the law is so stacked in their favor that they could be caught on tape shooting an unarmed black man in the back, but all they have to do is yell "gun!" as they are shooting that unarmed black man and they will be given the benefit of the doubt.


    I'm sorry JC, but people like you are part of the problem and not the solution.