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  • Connie
    2016-07-11 01:13:44 PM
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    The seeds of hate and fear are always being planted in America's futile soil of injustice and fascism.

    For generations America's minorities have been victimized by corrupt, unjust, unfair legal systems.

    Today, America's minorities have had enough of watching members of their families being slaughtered by badge carrying, gun toting, trigger happy killers and that is exactly what thwy they are and they should be brought to justice and until these killers are brought to justice the slaughter of unarmed helpless victims will continue and the result will be a society descending into anarchy and that is exactly what is happening now.
  • Schmidt
    2016-07-11 04:56:56 PM
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    Crooks and Liars: Sarah Palin: Media Must 'Quit Claiming' Black Lives Matter Protesters 'Are People'

    "Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) over the weekend demanded that media outlets begin referring to Black Lives Matter activists as "thugs" instead of calling them "protesters" or "people."

    "They're not protesters," she said during an interview on Breitbart News Sunday. "You know, these are thugs, they're rioters."

    "And yeah, I'm calling out the media, saying quit claiming that these rioters are people," Palin continued. "They're stomping on a flag -- figuratively and literally -- shouting 'death to cops', celebrating violence."

    According to the former GOP vice presidential nominee, black activists "are getting away with it because there aren't enough of them gutsy enough to call out what it actually is -- and it's sick."

    "And I think the media is perpetuating a message that really evil people are thriving on right now," Palin added, "as they try to warp malleable minds that would believe that one race matters more than another."

    "You know, it's the antithesis of Martin Luther King Jr.'s message. It's the antithesis of our Constitution, of the Bill of Rights, our charters of liberty that says all men are created equal."

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    As long as there are Sarah Palin types in this world, we cannot have a constructive conversation. The voices of those on both the left and right who are asking for a public conversation and understanding of the causes of events like these are drowned out by the Sarah Palins and the Rudy Giuliani's who seem to have a different agenda.. The Black Lives Matter people that I have seen interviewed on TV do not condone the killings in Dallas. They have always advocated for peaceful protest, and are shocked as anyone by the killings in Dallas.
  • Dutch
    2016-07-12 10:32:53 AM
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    Schmidt, this again shows that no one understands the problem and only will escalate things to get their 5 minute glory.

    And still people on this site refuse to accept that indeed; in stupidity we are number one in the world. Lets just give some more speeches and so on, but refuse to tackle the actual problem here. Our leaders keep their eyes shut for the wrong things here what they created themselves way back even. Sorry this remains an island, which refuses to get into the 21st Century as well learn from other civilized countries on how they tackle discrimination or police brutality. Sure elect an Trump, that will make matters only worse. Congratulations America, keep going sticking your heads in the sand.
  • Schmidt
    2016-07-13 08:22:50 AM
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    Dutch -- I have to push back on you. The vast majority of Americans (over 90 percent) are for some form of common sense gun safety legislation. And the vast majority of gun owners are responsible gun owners. So let's not stereotype all Americans with the stupidity of a Sarah Palin. However, I do fault Americans for being out of touch on issues of the day, and voting their emotions if they vote at all.

    And in communities across this nation, police are acting responsibly. Dallas was one of them. It's the bad actors that get the publicity, and whether you are an ordinary citizen or a police officer, your emotions of fear and anger can override your best nature.

    It is for the American voters to elect people who will change the political landscape. And that is where we really are open to criticism letting apathy and the "passionate other" have the upper hand in media attention and voting but offering nothing but their own bigotry as platform credentials. I can see why you shake your head in disgust, but it is not representative of all Americans and I don't think even a majority. Even amongst my Republican friends you will find that they share our bafflement with the Donald Trump's and Sarah Palin's of this world.

    That doesn't mean that I don't share the concerns of the minorities that are the subject of police discrimination. Those are the facts, and until police departments start weeding out the bad actors out of their police forces, we will have more tragedies. In some cities, the bad actors are at the top, setting or condoning racist policies and practices. Voters can change that.
  • Dutch
    2016-07-13 09:29:29 AM
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Dutch -- I have to push back on you. The vast majority of Americans (over 90 percent) are for some form of common sense gun safety legislation. And the vast majority of gun owners are responsible gun owners. So let's not stereotype all Americans with the stupidity of a Sarah Palin. However, I do fault Americans for being out of touch on issues of the day, and voting their emotions if they vote at all.

    And in communities across this nation, police are acting responsibly. Dallas was one of them. It's the bad actors that get the publicity, and whether you are an ordinary citizen or a police officer, your emotions of fear and anger can override your best nature.

    It is for the American voters to elect people who will change the political landscape. And that is where we really are open to criticism letting apathy and the "passionate other" have the upper hand in media attention and voting but offering nothing but their own bigotry as platform credentials. I can see why you shake your head in disgust, but it is not representative of all Americans and I don't think even a majority. Even amongst my Republican friends you will find that they share our bafflement with the Donald Trump's and Sarah Palin's of this world.

    That doesn't mean that I don't share the concerns of the minorities that are the subject of police discrimination. Those are the facts, and until police departments start weeding out the bad actors out of their police forces, we will have more tragedies. In some cities, the bad actors are at the top, setting or condoning racist policies and practices. Voters can change that.

    Schmidt, sure what you say is correct; however why are there more guns than brains here? Indeed the common folks don't run the country; it is our corrupt system and crazy antique laws as well our continuous wars as well overdone militarization which is the cause of all of this. Voting does not help, since the damage is done and no one dares to reverse it. All the assault weapons available in our town are sold out; does that tell you something?. Schmidt you are an way to decent person and therefore are way too mild about this country and its backwards laws and systems.
  • jaredsxtn
    2016-07-13 06:22:33 PM
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    Dutch Wrote: Schmidt, sure what you say is correct; however why are there more guns than brains here? Indeed the common folks don't run the country; it is our corrupt system and crazy antique laws as well our continuous wars as well overdone militarization which is the cause of all of this. Voting does not help, since the damage is done and no one dares to reverse it. All the assault weapons available in our town are sold out; does that tell you something?. Schmidt you are an way to decent person and therefore are way too mild about this country and its backwards laws and systems.
    There are more guns than brains in America because people who own guns vote in every single local, state, and Federal election. The people who don't have guns vote for President every four years and expect him (or her) to fix everything by themselves.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2016-07-14 02:54:18 AM
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    "The vast majority of Americans (over 90 percent) are for some form of common sense gun safety legislation."

    And all that does is give campaigners something to shout about with zero progress toward safety. In fifty years when there are five or six people left alive they will still be agreeing that there is a need for some sort of common sense gun safety legislation.

  • Dutch
    2016-07-14 09:40:21 AM
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Schmidt, sure what you say is correct; however why are there more guns than brains here? Indeed the common folks don't run the country; it is our corrupt system and crazy antique laws as well our continuous wars as well overdone militarization which is the cause of all of this. Voting does not help, since the damage is done and no one dares to reverse it. All the assault weapons available in our town are sold out; does that tell you something?. Schmidt you are an way to decent person and therefore are way too mild about this country and its backwards laws and systems.
    There are more guns than brains in America because people who own guns vote in every single local, state, and Federal election. The people who don't have guns vote for President every four years and expect him (or her) to fix everything by themselves.
    Jared, I'm glad you understand what I said; but your last line is of course a joke because a President can give only beautiful "speeches" at funerals, which is my joke back to you. I hope you finally realize that I continuously look "from the outside" towards this country; sorry in Europe they are shaking their heads about the total idiotic things happening here.
  • jaredsxtn
    2016-07-14 12:05:12 PM
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    Dutch Wrote: Jared, I'm glad you understand what I said; but your last line is of course a joke because a President can give only beautiful "speeches" at funerals, which is my joke back to you. I hope you finally realize that I continuously look "from the outside" towards this country; sorry in Europe they are shaking their heads about the total idiotic things happening here.

    And I've tried to explain to you a million times that Europe consists of roughly fifty countries. They are not a monolith in the same way every American isn't a monolith. The vast majority of gun owners in America are law abiding people who hunt for sport. Unless you are a vegetarian then you are no different than them.

    There are also many people in America who own guns for nefarious reasons. You get no argument from me there. But conflating law abiding citizens who hunt for sport with criminals who slaughter innocent civilians is only going to make people who want sensible gun control laws to immediately stop listening to you.

    I don't watch Neo-Nazi protests in many European countries and immediately jump to the conclusion that all Europeans are Neo-Nazi's. You should try do the same when you talk about people in this country as if we are all the same.
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