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When Will the Police Killings End?

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Police fatally shot 491 American citizens during the first six months of 2016. Think about that for a second. Police have played judge, jury, and executioner for nearly 500 Americans so far this year. These Americans never stood before a judge or jury, they were never read their rights as citizens, and they didn't have a lawyer who advocated for them. They received none of those things because a police officer decided to use deadly force.

    I'm sure some of these 491 citizens conducted themselves in a way that warranted lethal force, but I have a strong feeling (especially with modern technology that allows us to video record all police activity) that many of these killings could have been avoided.

    Alton Sterling was selling CD's outside of a convenience store whose owner gave him permission to do so. He was wrestled to the ground then shot in the back and chest multiple times before police watched him die before their very eyes. They then went and tried to confiscate all surveillance footage without a warrant. Philando Castile was complying with officer demands when one felt it was justified to shoot him multiple times. Oh, and did I say that Castile had a permit to carry his firearm? The list goes on and on...and on and on.

    How many more of these shootings will happen before we realize that we have a real and serious problem in this country?

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    A new level of violence seems to be coming over. Here we had a shooting of a driver in a stolen car with a stolen gun in his waistband. The perpetrators seem to me more violent as well as the police response. Maybe not related but police chases and subsequent captures are appearing more violent a as well as dangerous to civilians. A lot of the offenders are released almost immediately and almost all are released shortly. Doesn't seem to justify high speed potentially deadly chases.

  • Center Left
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    It seems to have a negative racial slant if you ask me. I'm white and have become less a fan of our cops every day over the last few years. I would expect there will come a day when people get sick and tired of it all and it spills over. Racism is becoming the new rage for stupid people. No longer feel the need to lower their voices when talking about it. The top racist is running for king. It could get worse.

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    Not police related but I just read that a black man was found hanging from a tree in a park in Atlanta. Some are saying it was suicide........ many on twitter don't believe that's what happened. I personally have no idea what happened. If I were to commit suicide there would be whisky and sleeping pills. Not that it's a better plan but easy. Coincident that the KKK was said to have been in town last night. I fing it odd that a black man was found hanging from a tree in the south and because there were no obvious signs of a struggle...... it was called suicide. Things that make you go hmmmmmmm

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  • Center Left
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    Just now on msnbc, a shooting in Dallas after a protest about police killings. Tune in for details. 2 cops are said to have been shot. A sniper is being reported. *** *** *** *** *** many shots have been fired. One report said 60 shots were fired.
  • Center-Right Democrat
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    I saw on the news this morning that the police officer who killed the young man in Minnasota, who was reaching in his glovebox to get his driver's license, will be charged with second degree murder. Can't remember this victim's last name, but his first name was Philander.

    He had told the policemen he had a gun and a permit to carry it. The police officer shot him anyway. Philander's girlfriend videotaped the whole incident. The girlfriend's 4 year old daughter was in the backseat of the car and saw it all. :-(

  • Independent
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    Yes, that is what you get if you stick to an "Amendment' when flintlocks were still around; just about as crazy as an electoral college or delegates etc. So give the police an "taser" which they don't use; grabbing the "gun'' is much more exiting. As well aim only at the heart or the head; success assured. The training of these guys, as I said a million times is the worst in the world. On top of it hire all the "shoot to kill" ex- army assholes; very smart indeed. But yeah like elections, or healthcare, or police training or gun laws, all of them are baked in American stupidity. So stick to rules of 1800 that will work, right? Great such antique Constitution; sorry we live in 2016 not in the stone age.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    First of all there should be a law enforcement designed weapon. Why does the first shot have to be fully lethal. Second is all encounters should be taught to be life threstening, then situations wouldn't surprisingly escalate. Third remove income incentivising from stops to eliminate frivolous encounters. Fourth , remove frivolous or menial encounters. Quit stopping people for minor inconsequential matters. Photograph the license plate and mail a summons or warning. More later.
  • Center Left
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    This has come to light because of cell phone technology. If only cops wore cameras as well. That's right.... They do but they always forget to turn them on when they're about to kill a black man. These days almost everyone has a smart phone so be ready to see the next 10 chapters in this book. I imagine it won't be long until cell phones are confiscated on scenes where another senseless killing has occured. Of course this thread was started during a real presidential term. Who knows, in 3 months perhaps the men in blue will get federal assistance in sweeping those things under the rug.

  • Center Left
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    Beating a dead horse... I know. It continues to bother me that no cop will ever be found guilty. This is the recent case. It was an offensive Ass of a cop who just had to kill the guy.

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    This is sickening. It looks like cold blooded murder to me. And the jury let him off after reviewing this video?
  • Independent
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    This appears to be an officer in a RAGE. When in that state of mind, people are not able to think clearly and are highly motivated to cause serious harm. I'd bet in his mind, he had already decided to kill the victim, and when he did, he felt a huge release of tension that released all of RAGE frustration now that an (innocent) person was dead. His actions made him feel good the moment he pulled the trigger 5 times, not once; it was over kill.

    The police are given the benefit of the doubt for ANY possible single minute action that could perceived as a trivil threat.

    What is clear from the video is the obvious intent by the victim to cooperate. I bet a civil suit would reward his family millions on a clear case of POLICE RAGE.

  • Independent
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    Here is why having a very bad president is making this problem worse.

    This topic should be Headline news and at the top of list of concerns for political leaders at all levels of goverment, not trump's tweets\comments containing racist innuendos or other stupid remarks that keep a 24hour focus on him rather than out of control police officers that weren't properly vented before given a gun and near-immunity to kill people.

    Being a police officer should have a high bar, like being a US Marine. Only the best of the best should be hired, and they should be given a high salary for risking their lives each day, as well at being highly skilled when not to use a weapon. People should be in awe of their greatness in skills, character, and ethics, not fear them because they are racists and trigger happy.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Yes in Trump's world of invoking anger and hate, these types of events seem more common and accepted now by those on the far right.

    It appears the cop was really determined to shoot the guy, angrily shouting at him do all those stupid things like crossing his legs and then making him crawl towards him perhaps so he can take a closer shot. I've watched a lot of videos of police shootings over the years, but this one in particular shocked me. It's too shocking and graphic to even show on network television.

    I wonder if this guy was a former soldier returning from Iraq or Afghanistan. Perhaps he suffered from some kind of mental condition...PTSD or just having anger management issues. In any case he is not the kind of person that should be on the police force. I hope a civil suit is in order.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Yes in Trump's world of invoking anger and hate, these types of events seem more common and accepted now by those on the far right.

    It appears the cop was really determined to shoot the guy, angrily shouting at him do all those stupid things like crossing his legs and then making him crawl towards him perhaps so he can take a closer shot. I've watched a lot of videos of police shootings over the years, but this one in particular shocked me. It's too shocking and graphic to even show on network television.

    I wonder if this guy was a former soldier returning from Iraq or Afghanistan. Perhaps he suffered from some kind of mental condition...PTSD or just having anger management issues. In any case he is not the kind of person that should be on the police force. I hope a civil suit is in order.

    Like I've said a million times; the gun laws as well the police training and having ex-military in the police, then you are asking for it . This country will never be "normal" if our gun laws stay as it is and even more guns are promoted as under Trump, together with the awful training of the cops in military style; then the number of deaths will only increase. Congratulations America.
  • Center Left
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    An interesting comment was if the civil penalties paid were deducted from the police retirement funds would a greater sensitivity be shown then ?