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United Kingdom votes to leave European Union

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    ITN in London has just called the vote for "leave". The deciding issue was largely immigration. The commentators in Britain said the "leave" campaign largely mirrored Donald Trump's campaign in the USA with older anti-immigrant, anti-establishment, white blue collar workers in the northeast of England turning out in huge numbers to "leave". The final vote is not complete but will be in the order of 52:48.

    The global political implications are enormous. Watch for stock markets to drop on Friday.

    The British pound is plummeting as I write this.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    MSN Britain votes to leave EU: Cameron to resign; markets rocked

    "Prime Minister David Cameron, who had led the campaign to keep Britain in the EU, said he would resign by October and left it to his successor to decide when to invoke Article 50, which triggers a departure from European Union.

    Indeed, the vote constituted a rebellion against the political, economic and social Establishment. All manner of groups — CEOs, scientists, soldiers — had written open letters warning of the consequences of an exit. Farage called the result "a victory for ordinary people against the big banks, big business and big politics."

    Donald Trump praised the decision during a visit to one of his golf courses in Scotland, saying Britons "took back their country. It's a great thing." He likened the vote to the U.S. sentiment that has propelled him to the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, saying people in the United States and the United Kingdom are angry about similar things.

    "People are angry all over the world," he said."

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    The implications of the UK leaving the European Union are enormous, and I doubt that many of the people who voted to leave grasped the complexity and how they would be affected. It will take years to unravel all the ties to the EU...negotiations will include tariffs, cross-border security, foreign policy cooperation and a common fisheries policy.

    Professionals such as investment managers, accountants and lawyers will find it difficult to work in the EU, and indeed London's position as one of the world's pre-eminent financial centers is threatened.

    I believe that the many citizens of Britain who largely voted their emotions will regret their departure.

  • Liberal
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    The typical Brit is just as uninformed and xenophobic as their American cousins. They will come to regret this vote big time but by then it will be to lake, just as we will when and if Trumpy should become president.

    To even consider holding a referendum on a subject as deep and as important this with a simple majority is unbelievably foolish. At the minimum it should have had at least an 80% majority.

    Stupidity reigns in Britannia as well as the US of A ;(

  • Independent
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    pr Wrote:

    The typical Brit is just as uninformed and xenophobic as their American cousins. They will come to regret this vote big time but by then it will be to lake, just as we will when and if Trumpy should become president.

    To even consider holding a referendum on a subject as deep and as important this with a simple majority is unbelievably foolish. At the minimum it should have had at least an 80% majority.

    Stupidity reigns in Britannia as well as the US of A ;(

    P.R. Britain never fitted into the EU; as I said many times we took over all the bad Brit habits as well their arrogant inches, feet, Fahrenheit, lbs, bolt threads, and other stupidity. European as well the rest of the world metric system is so much simpler and understandable. The only thing we did not copy, is to drive on the left hand of the road; however sometimes I wonder if they know here what is left or right. Let alone the British food, it will kill you. But yeah Trump will fit right in; may be he can succeed Cameron and play golf on his own course and wear an kilt. Britain is an "island" just like us.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Brexit Vote Could Unravel Not Just the European Union, but the United Kingdom Too

    Additional tidbits of analysis to ponder:

    "Farage and his colleagues were quickly congratulated by the leaders of nationalist, far-right parties in the Netherlands and France, Geert Wilders and Marine Le Pen, who both called for similar referendums in their countries.

    "As the results were tallied, it became obvious that there was a clear disparity of outcomes across the kingdom’s four nations: while England and Wales voted to leave the EU, Scotland and Northern Ireland both voted to stay in it, which raised the possibility that the decision to withdraw from one union could trigger the imminent collapse of another.

    "To start with, as many observers in Scotland noted, their nation, which rejected independence in another referendum just two years ago, partly out of a desire to remain in the EU, voted overwhelmingly against the decision to leave. That led to widespread speculation that the Scottish National Party, which rules the local government, could now demand a second referendum on independence soon.

    "Meanwhile in Northern Ireland, which also voted against leaving the EU by a clear majority, the nationalist Sinn Fein party called for an immediate referendum on unification with the Republic of Ireland, which will remain in the economic union."

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    The domino effect on countries could be felt for several years to come.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Meanwhile Donald Trump, oblivious to the fact that Scotland overwhelmingly voted to stay in the European Union, tweeted this:

    Just arrived in Scotland. Place is going wild over the vote. They took their country back, just like we will take America back. No games!

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 24, 2016

    No they didn't Donald. You are in Scotland, not northern England. The Scots are not going wild over the results. They wanted to remain in the EU.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Vox, This comment perfectly explains why Brexit has left the UK's young feeling so devastated

    As per the Vox article the young people of Britain overall feel devastated by the vote. Quoting a reader from the Financial Times:

    "A quick note on the first three tragedies. Firstly, it was the working classes who voted for us to leave because they were economically disregarded, and it is they who will suffer the most in the short term. They have merely swapped one distant and unreachable elite for another.

    "Secondly, the younger generation has lost the right to live and work in 27 other countries. We will never know the full extent of the lost opportunities, friendships, marriages and experiences we will be denied. Freedom of movement was taken away by our parents, uncles, and grandparents in a parting blow to a generation that was already drowning in the debts of our predecessors.

    "Thirdly and perhaps most significantly, we now live in a post-factual democracy. When the facts met the myths they were as useless as bullets bouncing off the bodies of aliens in a HG Wells novel. When Michael Gove said, ‘The British people are sick of experts,’ he was right. But can anybody tell me the last time a prevailing culture of anti-intellectualism has led to anything other than bigotry?"

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    Anti-intellectualism is in vogue, both in Europe and in the USA. The "angry" Trump supporters kind of fit the demographic of the angry Brits who voted to leave.

    Sorry to keep posting on this topic. It has caught my attention more than the endless discussion of guns, in which we repeat all the same talking points after every shooting.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Then there are these voters (compliments of Slate) who are just waking up to the fact that the UK is actually going to leave the EU. They are regretting their vote or for not bothering to vote at all.

    There is a lesson to be learned here for our presidential election. Hopefully the Bernie or Bust people are paying attention...those that plan to vote for either Trump or Johnson. Anger is not a voter's wise choice.

  • Independent
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    Non-binding resolution. Parliament will have final say. Have heard some people woke up wondering what they voted for or against.

    Scotland and Northern Ireland may vote to stay in the EU and leave the UK. Northern Ireland may even consider merger with Ireland.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt, indeed Trump did shoot himself in the foot; I guess he has no idea at all about the UK composition and its people. Just like here. Another bad thing here, CNN hired the "fired" campaign manager from Trump; so CNN has become another "Fox" channel. Trump got already more publicity for free from them than anyone else; so slowly but surely our media is tilting more and more towards the " far right" An dangerous trend.

    Also on the Dutch news; an British comic handed out golf balls at Trumps son's new golf course which had swastika's painted on them. The Scot's were not very pleased with his visit; but Trump of course had more protection than the British royalty (all flown in; cost nothing of course). How sick can we get?

  • Independent
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    Another added problem is Gibraltar; they have now no border with Spain; but if the "exit" becomes firm then they will need an visa to get into Spain, which is actually their lifeline. How about the Falkland islands?
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Lots of regrets. A petition calling for a revote is up to 2,500,000 signatures. I will make a couple of observations.

    1. Voting matters. So many voters who voted to leave, did so with anger. They voted with their emotions instead of doing their homework and thinking.

    2. Although 72 percent of the population voted, the youth vote was underrepresented. Those who voted, most often voted to remain.

    There are lessons to be learned here. People need to put emotions aside before voting in the November election. Those 45 percent of Bernie supporters who say now that they will vote for Trump or Johnson, just need to THINK of the implications.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Consider the implications of going to war or calling a strike or exiting the EU and analogize the thinking of the people responsible for making those decisions. At some point people don't care about the reprocussions. They feel their backs are up against a wall. People feel the effects of laws that continually change to favor those with the money and power to change the laws. The lifestyles of the "Rich and Famous" used to present a goal. Now the reality is it is an impossibility. Things happen for reasons. The reprocussions may be bad but consider the cause. Has the EU offended by promoting human rights or by opening doors for big finance to walk into all the banks? The reprocussions can get worse if the dependent nation's see the Brexit as establishment and default in protest.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    My position is to break down barriers and establish an EU type system in the USA by disassembling states rights and minimize the effects of borders. One law of the land. The objective of NAFTA if fully implemented would make it easier for a truck with an oversize load to cross from Mexico to the US than from Ohio to WVA.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    All trade agreements are laws to increase profits but are void of any laws addressing the dispersion of those Profits.