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NRA Wins: Senate votes down four gun control measures

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Vox, June 20, 2016: Senate fails at passing gun control again

    So the Senate has rejected the latest efforts for gun control largely along party lines. It was never in the cards...the 60 vote threshold for cloture was impossible. Plus even if the Senate passed anything the House simply would not take it up...Hastert Rule. As the Vox writer states:

    "This is in large part because of the extreme polarization surrounding gun policy in the Senate. The NRA awarded 56 senators an A grade for their stance on gun rights — and 36 senators an F."

    While campaign contributions play a part for the A Grade senators, the 36 with an F rating can expect to "be fired" with negative ads during their next campaigns for re-election. That's how it worked in Colorado.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Vox, June 20, 2016: Senate fails at passing gun control again

    So the Senate has rejected the latest efforts for gun control largely along party lines. It was never in the cards...the 60 vote threshold for cloture was impossible. Plus even if the Senate passed anything the House simply would not take it up...Hastert Rule. As the Vox writer states:

    "This is in large part because of the extreme polarization surrounding gun policy in the Senate. The NRA awarded 56 senators an A grade for their stance on gun rights — and 36 senators an F."

    While campaign contributions play a part for the A Grade senators, the 36 with an F rating can expect to "be fired" with negative ads during their next campaigns for re-election. That's how it worked in Colorado.

    Anyway, it shows exactly why this is an screwed up country; but don't cry; none of the proposed "rules" would not have made any difference in the number of daily killings here. For instance my neighbor had an large room loaded with guns; he died, but no one knows where the guns went. As some on this site said; all our gun "control" is an big joke anyway. We will never learn or copy other countries where "real" control is done and working, because of just an 18th Century piece of paper. Wow. Schmidt who cares about "senators" and their "grades"; it does not help the people who get killed. They act like little children!!
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch, It is an atrocity !!! Crooked politicians offer up feel good legislation to look tough for their constituency and votes. Nothing offered up can resolve anything as far as mass murders. And the famous two sound bytes: you got to start and you going to let the murders continue. Well, they started 30 years ago and compare now to then. Now there are more guns in more places than ever. The assault weapons ban of Bill Clinton turned the congress over to the Republicans, fueled the right wing talk stars and lost the presidency. Every attempt at gun control legislation causes a rush on buying guns and ammo and creates more republicans. "" If there never was any gun control starting with Clinton there woul be millions less guns. jaredsxtn keeps attacking the AR15 and he either doesn't know or doesn't care that it is not a high powered gun, in fact it is the lowest powered center fire rifle used by Armies. He is now trying to cover his tracks by referring to it as a "weapon of war". The touted " less people own guns is crap. The truth is more people deny owning guns to avoid being on a data list. At this point gun control is like fighting the Zika virus by passing laws making it illegal for mosquitoes to infect people. There is not one mass murder that did not have prior indicators. All business and advertising use the very practices and algorithms to find, profile and deliver contact to potential customers that could be used to identify mass murderers. But if the same information was used to identify potential murderers the nuliberals would scream violation. The nuliberals meet to drink wine eat cheese and decide how the poor should live or decide what cause other than poor people they should raise money to support. The only discussion of the crooked stock Market or financial system of the nuliberals at nuliberal action meetings is to find out the best return on their money . Gun control is a safe issue for them to rant and rave about because poor people don't need to own guns. If gun control was dropped and focus was on reforming Wall Street the number of guns sold would drop, people would have living wage jobs and the world would be a safer place.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    The lobby system works to legalise gambling in the stock market, cut entitlements for the poor and buy any other special interest for the right amount of money. I would agree with a total overhaul and strict narrow definition applied to "redress of grievances".
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: While campaign contributions play a part for the A Grade senators, the 36 with an F rating can expect to "be fired" with negative ads during their next campaigns for re-election. That's how it worked in Colorado.
    It's truly amazing (and quite depressing) how one outside organization that represents a small fraction of the overall American population has a complete stranglehold on our Congress. It's also quite depressing that so many of our representatives are more concerned about keeping their government salary than ever casting a vote that might upset the NRA.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: jaredsxtn keeps attacking the AR15 and he either doesn't know or doesn't care that it is not a high powered gun, in fact it is the lowest powered center fire rifle used by Armies. He is now trying to cover his tracks by referring to it as a "weapon of war".

    I'm attacking all high powered weapons that aren't used for hunting or self protection in your home.

    I'm against people being allowed to carry their gun, concealed or otherwise, in the public sphere. I'm against the general public being able to own a whole host of weapons that serve no purpose other than to kill as many humans as possible.

    I'm for a uniform FBI national background check that is the same in all fifty states. I'm for a mandatory 72 hour waiting period before you can purchase any firearm. I'm for the gun show loophole being abolished (to be honest, I'm just pretty much against gun shows in general). And I'm for prohibiting the sale of firearms over the internet.


    I've referred to the AR15 and countless other high powered weapons as "weapons of war" since I joined this site years ago, so you'd be hard pressed to accuse me of trying to cover my tracks.

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    The AR-15 ( Armelite Rifle Design #15) was a civilian rifle that was militarized for full automatic suppression fire, which was to aid our troops in jungle warfare principly, it replaced the M-14 semi automatic rifle which replaced the M-1 semi automatic rifle. The M 16 is a military weapon not available for civilian use, the M -16 resembles the AR-15 civilian rifle not the other way around, it is used primarily for small game hunting and also for sport shooting. There already is a law against the sale or ownership of fully automatic weapons to and by civilians. So what are these new proposals really intended for?

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote: While campaign contributions play a part for the A Grade senators, the 36 with an F rating can expect to "be fired" with negative ads during their next campaigns for re-election. That's how it worked in Colorado.
    It's truly amazing (and quite depressing) how one outside organization that represents a small fraction of the overall American population has a complete stranglehold on our Congress. It's also quite depressing that so many of our representatives are more concerned about keeping their government salary than ever casting a vote that might upset the NRA.
    Jared; finally you admit how screwed this government and its "lobby" system is; welcome to "corrupt America!!
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    johnnycee Wrote:

    The AR-15 ( Armelite Rifle Design #15) was a civilian rifle that was militarized for full automatic suppression fire, which was to aid our troops in jungle warfare principly, it replaced the M-14 semi automatic rifle which replaced the M-1 semi automatic rifle. The M 16 is a military weapon not available for civilian use, the M -16 resembles the AR-15 civilian rifle not the other way around, it is used primarily for small game hunting and also for sport shooting. There already is a law against the sale or ownership of fully automatic weapons to and by civilians. So what are these new proposals really intended for?

    J.C. welcome back. However whatever gun or missile or an cannon, it does not belong in the hands of civilians. Forget the hunting as well; the poor deer can't help it either that humans hate nature and rather kill it or pollute it and ruin this world with more garbage as well love wars, then you get even medals to kill everything in sight. So gun lovers join the Army!! But yeah, Jesus loves us and protects our sick mentality for sure. WE are "blessed"; right?
  • Democrat
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    We most certainly are blessed, me ,it seems more than most, but more on topic maybe we should also ban fertilizer as this is what the other nut job Timothy McVeigh used, or box cutters, as this is what was used to commandeer those planes on 9/11, or perhaps long bladed knives to prevent beheadings , my point is that when any devout person who believes he is following a calling, whether wrongly or not, he will find a means to carry out the deed,
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    Yes J.C. you are absolutely right that I also can kill someone with an paperclip. As I said in some of my other mails, it is the "mental" state of this country, which drives this. As I mentioned: jail birds come out worse then they went in; drug users on the increase; prescription drug misuse; army people coming back nuts from our fantastic wars; road rage; corruption leads to rage; society pressures, especially here , you have to be number "one"; second place does not count; lack of real education about the world; religious pressures ( you are not allowed.......etc.) "money" pressures; debt; alcohol; bad marriages; being raised as an "redneck" sleeping with your gun. etc. you name it. Due to our present society which requires you to absorb much more than in the past without cell phones, computers, TV, media etc. you get an "overload" which a lot of people can't absorb if things get negative.

    Sure they've got the same problems in Sweden; however their "systems" are tuned correctly to give the people an better mental health, because they study the problem and put fixes in place, like healthcare for everyone; mental help, jailbirds who get out better then getting in; no wars; big fines for polluters; media which just gives news; not the hype as here; good gun control, clean environment, no slums or homeless. etc.

    Our weird "capitalistic" corrupt system and form of government is an huge part of the problem

  • Democrat
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    Maybe the problem exists because of our very large population and subsequent diversity of that same population, someone is always going to be pissed off at some form of Government action or inaction, this group of highly paid Legislators cannot even come up with a plan that would remove from our society a dangerous person without violating his Constitutional Rights, or worse, if a citizen is mistakenly placed on this list he has to to move mountains of bureaucracy to prove the Government made a mistake, all this without due process, which is very, very wrong and a very dangerous slope to step on. My theory would be to hold the Government Agents to the same standard as every law Enforcement knows he or she is held to, and that is # 1 reasonable suspicion ( cause to pause and look) #2 ,probable cause ( a reason to take a lawful action to prevent an illegal action to occur or to prevent a furtherance of an illegal action) the matter then would go to the courts for Adjudication,all within a prescribed amount of time.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote: Maybe the problem exists because of our very large population and subsequent diversity of that same population, someone is always going to be pissed off at some form of Government action or inaction, this group of highly paid Legislators cannot even come up with a plan that would remove from our society a dangerous person without violating his Constitutional Rights, or worse, if a citizen is mistakenly placed on this list he has to to move mountains of bureaucracy to prove the Government made a mistake, all this without due process, which is very, very wrong and a very dangerous slope to step on. My theory would be to hold the Government Agents to the same standard as every law Enforcement knows he or she is held to, and that is # 1 reasonable suspicion ( cause to pause and look) #2 ,probable cause ( a reason to take a lawful action to prevent an illegal action to occur or to prevent a furtherance of an illegal action) the matter then would go to the courts for Adjudication,all within a prescribed amount of time.

    You talk about the 2nd Amendment like it's sacrosanct, but then act like the 4th Amendment is a suggestion in the very same paragraph.


    The 2nd Amendment that was passed by Congress is different than the 2nd Amendment that was ratified and the Courts have been trying to figure out what it means since then. A single comma (or lack thereof) has fomented debate about the 2nd Amendment since the day it passed.

    Regardless, the 2nd Amendment does not say that anyone can buy any gun they want. That's why someone can't own a bazooka or fighter jet. The 2nd Amendment was also passed when the single loading musket was the predominant weapon.

    It's left up to Congress and the Courts to pass laws that determine what guns are legal and what guns aren't. There is no reason an individual needs a weapon that can shoot dozens of rounds in a matter of seconds other than to kill as many human beings as possible. That was never the intention of the 2nd Amendment.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: Maybe the problem exists because of our very large population and subsequent diversity of that same population, someone is always going to be pissed off at some form of Government action or inaction, this group of highly paid Legislators cannot even come up with a plan that would remove from our society a dangerous person without violating his Constitutional Rights, or worse, if a citizen is mistakenly placed on this list he has to to move mountains of bureaucracy to prove the Government made a mistake, all this without due process, which is very, very wrong and a very dangerous slope to step on. My theory would be to hold the Government Agents to the same standard as every law Enforcement knows he or she is held to, and that is # 1 reasonable suspicion ( cause to pause and look) #2 ,probable cause ( a reason to take a lawful action to prevent an illegal action to occur or to prevent a furtherance of an illegal action) the matter then would go to the courts for Adjudication,all within a prescribed amount of time.

    You talk about the 2nd Amendment like it's sacrosanct, but then act like the 4th Amendment is a suggestion in the very same paragraph.


    The 2nd Amendment that was passed by Congress is different than the 2nd Amendment that was ratified and the Courts have been trying to figure out what it means since then. A single comma (or lack thereof) has fomented debate about the 2nd Amendment since the day it passed.

    Regardless, the 2nd Amendment does not say that anyone can buy any gun they want. That's why someone can't own a bazooka or fighter jet. The 2nd Amendment was also passed when the single loading musket was the predominant weapon.

    It's left up to Congress and the Courts to pass laws that determine what guns are legal and what guns aren't. There is no reason an individual needs a weapon that can shoot dozens of rounds in a matter of seconds other than to kill as many human beings as possible. That was never the intention of the 2nd Amendment.

    J.C. I appreciate your reply but it does not work in our present state of affairs. Jared, you are partly right; when it was written, like you said none of the junk (even our present shotguns) were around; thus only applies to "flintlocks' and may be "percussion" guns. Certainly not any "number' of rounds" Amen. What an nutty dumb country!!
  • Democrat
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    Although this thread pertains to the gun issue, my thought is once you deny a citizen of his or her's Constitutional Right, whether it be the First, Second, or last Amendment, and once you start down that slope of denying the due process of any citizen based on mere suspicion and that same citizen having little recourse to remedy the situation, then we will be heading to a despotic form of bureauacracy.