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5 More Months of Endless Mudslighjing

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    I hope Hillary stops the silly verbal war with that overgrown, spoiled two year old tantrum thrower. The last thing the electorate needs is 5 more months of endless mud slinging.

    What the electorate wants to know is Hillary's vision for America and the reforms, programs and policies needed to achieve that vision and also where the funding for these programs will come from.

    Bernie explained his vision for America in great detail, hopefully, Hillary will do the same, if not the electorate won't have a clue about what she will actually do or won't do and how she will achieve her goals?!

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Connie -- I submit for your review the following websites:

    Hillaryclinton.com Issues

    Hillaryclinton.com Briefing/Fact Sheets

    Hillary has explained in immense detail all of her proposals and how they will be funded. It's been a part of her campaign from the very beginning, and she has on countless occasions referred to these and where we should go to learn more detail. Many of the topics have links to additional detail...lots and lots of it. She has put all her proposals here to be scrutinized by the media and her opponents. So have at it.

    The media (including MSNBC), of course, have largely ignored these websites. I guess too lazy to do their homework. So I will be happy to answer any specific questions you might have by directing you to the specifics in these websites in case you don't have the time. I spent a lot of time studying her proposals before getting fully on board with her.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Connie -- As just one example, take a look at Hillary's proposals on universal health care.

    HillaryClinton. com/Issues: Affordable health care is a basic human right.

    As you browse the proposal, click on the various links in blue for more detail. This is classic Hillary. You may not agree with her specific proposal versus that of Bernie's, but you'll have to agree she provides lots of detail to back it up.

    Questions Connie?

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Connie Wrote:What the electorate wants to know is Hillary's vision for America and the reforms, programs and policies needed to achieve that vision and also where the funding for these programs will come from.

    This is what really bugs me about Bernie or Bust supporters. Do you actually believe that Secretary Clinton hasn't laid out her vision for America or have you just not taken the time to figure out if she has?

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Jared -- Yes the "Bernie or Bust supporters" live in a bubble. They exchange information amongst themselves, and live in total ignorance of the accomplishments of Hillary Clinton. They may as well live on another planet. They are amongst the "low information voters" in the sense that they cannot absorb anything factual that goes beyond their ideological mindset.
  • Independent
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    Jared and Schmidt; sure I agree that Hillary is much better than Trump, Cruz, Carson, or Rubio. However don't go overboard about her. I guess you both forget that she is delegating an lot of things to Bill, so the question then becomes will this be Bill's third term? Like you guys said about Bernie, that things he wanted would not be possible; actually the same applies to Hillary; everything is still on "paper" only. In practice things may change, ask Obama; the prison on Cuba is still not closed!! Therefore I vote for the less worst of the two candidates.
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    Since the heading was about "mud" slinging; sure, until now I think not enough has been slung. I must compliment Elizabeth Warren she at least shows some guts. Looking at Hillary if she speaks, it is not "her" but very scripted and monotone and the more she talks the more boring. I've not seen her "throwing" mud things the way EW did; which is loud and clear. Sorry Hillary does not excite me; may be she says the right things, but is holding back or is "trained" that way as an lawyer or it is her passive nature. I've never seen her getting really sincerely "mad"; it looks more like it is an "high school" graduation speech read from an prompter"
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch -- That's a big difference between you and me. You need a candidate who excites in his/her speech. That's okay, but it's not my top criteria. I love wonks...those candidates who spell out in intricate detail what they want to do, how they will do it, and how they will pay for it. That sounds wonky, but when Hillary referred at the beginning of her speech to her "wonky website"...well that hit a hot button with me. It excites me. I love it. I don't have to listen to her speeches. I just live in her wonky websites.

    We need more wonks and less tweeters. Tweets do not spell out policies. They are just emotional reactions to stimulate those who need excitement. Trump can deliver on that latter point. I agree that Hillary is less able in that regard. However, I love wonks.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Matthew Yglesias, Vox, October 9, 2015: Hillary Clinton's plan to tame big banks shows her at her wonkish best

    Quoting Yglesias:

    "Hillary Clinton has often stood accused of pandering or shaping policy proposals for political purposes, but her proposals for improving regulation of the financial system show her doing exactly the opposite — tackling the issue of mega-bank risk in a thoughtful way that is likely to prove politically thankless.

    "Her idea — not exactly optimized for a 15-second television spot — is to "charge a graduated risk fee every year on the liabilities of banks with more than $50 billion in assets and other financial institutions that are designed by regulators for enhanced oversight," with fees scaled to be "higher for firms with greater amounts of debt and riskier, short-term forms of debt."

    "It's a mouthful. Banks will hate it. It doesn't feature a crowd-pleasing, populist applause line. And it's a pretty great idea."

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    This is another reason why I love wonks. Yglesias goes on to further explain Hillary's proposal in his own wonkish style. I learn. I become educated. It allows me to write in this website from a standpoint of having thought through all the nuances.

    Not really exciting though, I'll admit.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    So I just watched Hillary's speech from North Carolina. If you can find it later online at Hillary Clinton Speeches, watch it. It seemed to be pretty energetic and passionate to me. Exciting too. I'm all in.

    I should add that, "Hillary Clinton Speeches is not affiliated with Hillary Clinton, her representatives, or Hillary for America."

    But it's another good source to keep tabs on Hillary in case you missed something.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt; thanks. Just to make it clear; indeed we look at it differently. However if I look at the "voter" population here, then I think your type will be an minority. Most people want someone with "spunk" not an "read the prepared prompter" message. Therefore I think Trump is loosing an lot of his admirers by "sticking" to speeches on the "prompter". He got this far by being an "idiot" with an big mouth. As soon as he gets "cultivated" then people with an lower education (who he caters to now), have no longer interest in him. The same applies to Hillary if she stays on the "prompter"
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    Just on the Dutch news: Hillary seems to beat Bill regularly; Wow, if Trump gets hold of this then the fireworks will start!!
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Sorry Schmidt, Hillary's aptitude to spin in her favor far outweigh's any substance she can produce. Especially in light of jaredsxtn's enlightening that presidents are not kings. Hillary will have the same congress to deal with as Bernie would have had. What she leaves out and you overlook is how is she going to deal with the congress if "no". The Republicans will still be looking at a Democratic President. She makes to inference to the derivatives that tie up all the development money and furnish her son in law a job.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Sorry Schmidt, Hillary's aptitude to spin in her favor far outweigh's any substance she can produce. Especially in light of jaredsxtn's enlightening that presidents are not kings. Hillary will have the same congress to deal with as Bernie would have had. What she leaves out and you overlook is how is she going to deal with the congress if "no". The Republicans will still be looking at a Democratic President. She makes to inference to the derivatives that tie up all the development money and furnish her son in law a job.

    Chet, I'm getting the impression that it is becoming an huge mess; even in Baltimore they are unable to convict police criminals; let alone our federal government who screws up everything they get their hands on. Sure the "supreme court" may as well go for early retirement, because they are totally useless. How is Hillary going to clean up this mess? She may have "plans" but they will be obstructed all the way. Yes we may need another civil war!!
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    Dutch, Too many years of right wing talk stars pushing states rights, self determination, anti social programs, government is bad, and everybody knows what is best for themselves and that is all that counts. You end up with a generation of know it all's that think they are all that counts. It seems that volatility has never been so high and everything is judged daily without respect for history.