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An alternative perspective on Bernie Sanders

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    As of this morning, Bernie is now the front-runner in Iowa and New Hampshire, according to the Real Clear Politics polling average. In the modern era, everyone who won both states went on to win the nomination.
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    Yes this country will never be the same again; we don't need Bernie! He's always been an "spoiler" and eventually will loose, because he can't find the money for what he wants. Sorry people I guess this country lost their mind, as well common sense.

    I hope and wish Bloomberg gets the nomination, maybe we get then an "moderate" with brains who can beat Trump.

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    I have to agree with Dutch. There is no Democrat running that can beat trump, like it or not, other than Bloomberg. I’m no big fan of the wealthy but I can see him swooping in at the last moment and taking the primary and beating trum. He would be as good as anyone running and get support from both sides.

    As much as I love Bernie & Liz’s ideology there is no way either of them can beat trump. Bernie is not presidential material and Liz is another "unlikeable" woman (I support her 100% but I’m also a realist). Butt (whatever) his name is is nothing more than a moderate republican posing as a Democrat who might appeal to a lot of uniformed voters on both sides but he is a horror show in his own right. Tom S. - who is he? Another 1% no one knows much about, trying to buy the election with no results. Tulie - another crackpot military loser DINO, Hillary was correct about her. As I drive around NH, every day, I see more and more of her signs up on the road and I’m sure she will receive many votes from the NH rubes, especially the unenroled NH voters (like I) who can choose to vote in either primary when we get to the polls.

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    Yes PR, I know only a few words to describe it; Chaos, incompetence, uneducated, uninformed, indoctrinated, cow attitude, lack of leadership, and due to pure stupidity, elect an spoiled brad who's KKK Dad raised him by giving "millions" (which he squandered) to the "mafia" educated "brad" with "bone spurs" Do I have to say anything more?

    Let's wave a "flag" and "pray" that helps.

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    Definitely not bernie's socialism, the following alternatives instead!

    Collective Self-Government Model

    A utopian alternative

    The form of Government that I support is a Pantisocracy. A pantisocracy is a societal system where all are equal in both social status and social responsibility. I also believe that personal sovereignty should play an important role in any system of governance. The following is a list of the issues i will address in this document as per how to set up a pantisocracy on a global scale.

    Supports for Pantisocracy:

    Both Capitalism and Communism have the same pitfall and are opposite extremes of each other. Both are materialistic to a fault and neglect the emotional, esteem, and spiritual needs of the populist. Supporters of capitalism claim that markets are the most efficient means of distribution of resources. Markets however create inequality of power in a society due to a small group over time accumulating most of the resources. Capitalism also largely neglects the emotional, spiritual, and esteem needs of the populist. Communism on the other hand makes wealth equal, however the proletariat remains the proletariat because power is concentrated at the top levels of party management and the top party officials through state planning choose where the resources go rather than the people. Communism also fails to address the emotional, spiritual, or esteem needs of the populist.

    Pantisocracy through decentralized structure and individual equality addresses all needs including, economic, emotional, spiritual, and esteem; by leaving the choice up to each individual while simultaneously mandating equal responsibility and participation by all.

    The Pantisocracy Model

    To create a system where all are equal in both social status and social responsibility I purpose the following:

    A balance be found between individual sovereignty and societal networking and modes of infrastructure. On one hand, an individual should be free to do whatever they wish with their God/Goddess given right of free will; on the other hand, there should be restrictions placed in regard to behavior that harms another being. There should be no hard boarders and boarders that are in place should be drawn upon a cultural basis and not upon a territorial or political basis. I purpose 3 levels to this model, the global, the cultural, and the personal. The economic model should also have 3 levels in both income and distribution. Each individual should have their income divided into 3 equal parts. The first part is their personal share that they may put towards individual needs. The second part is put towards the projects of the individuals’ choice in their cultural zone. The third part is their charitable portion that may be given to anyone or any individual other than themselves. All must contribute in some way to the whole, but, how they contribute is up to each individual. Economics at its most basic is the management of resources and the act of trade. Information and research can be just as valuable as material goods and services. Property rights are determined by whom has the prior claim. This is determined by who has made or produced this good, information, or service. An individual may keep one third of what they produce and the rest goes to the local projects and charity as stated above. An individual may claim any land without a current existing claim so long as they live off that land. At death all property owned by an individual is inherited by the whole of the community in which they locally reside, except land which is free for another to set up new claim. Each individual has the sovereign right to vote and choose, where their share of the resources go. A persons share of the resources is determined by the collective voting of all the individuals in society. There are no elected representatives or government officials.The system is completely run by the columination of all individuals. All individuals are both a private person and also the government at the same time. Individuals may for collaborative projects as well as communities, but, each individual always retains their inalienable right to their personal sovereignty. Any code of conduct or law passed into law by the majority vote may only stay in effect for a maximum of 18 years, but, may be renewed by majority vote. This society must be conservation driven and not consumption driven. Any code of conduct agreed upon by each other must be extended to include all forms of life and our planet and other planets/moons. In matters of dispute, the dispute is always settled by group tribunal in the locality the dispute occurred. Any individual in the that locality may attend and act as magister in that tribunal. Verdict is always decided by majority rule. If an individual commits an act of violence, the sentencing must be passed by group tribunal in the locality where the act was committed. The minimum sentence should be a warning. The maximum sentence should be ostricization for life and include no death penalty. A remote island should be set aside for those ostracized. Ostracized individuals are cut off from societal resources and must fend for themselves off the land for their survival.

    The installation of this system should be established through pacifist populism. Pacifist non-resistance and mass protests as well as not conforming to the existing social, economic, or legal system are valid means of establishing this system. Another valid method is to set this system up with each other and not acknowledge nor participate in the system you are replacing with this Pantisocracy model. Violent means must not be used as a way to set up this system or else the integrity of the pantisocracy model will be inevitably drawn back into the cycle of conflict. On the other hand information warfare and espionage is a valid means so long as it does not encourage violence by utilizing this means.


    Link to this document:

    docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSC...

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    Forget it; people all over the globe have all kinds of "governments"; the rules are quite simple, keep everyone happy or treat them as slaves. The system here favors the rich, so no one is happy, neither the rich because of "greed" want more and more. An Communistic systems does not work either, because it creates the same thing, only the "rich" give it another name: "olichards"

    Trump wants to be an "Putin" that is clear; maintain an zillion lawyers, then you can do whatever you like, with "money"

    So Americans be happy, pray a lot and donate a lot to your favorite candidate, then you will be rewarded. Your new "Putin" will make sure that your social security ends up in his pocket. Amen

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    This is a strange and very very different idea on electricity. Article suggests it may be unpopular in several key states.

    politico.com/news/2020/02/02/bernie-san...

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    TJ:

    If Bernie somehow becomes the nominee, we are all truly screwed.

    He has already turned off a lot of moderate voters with his "Medicare for all" plan. To add a $16 trillion dollar plan for electricity will have even more people voting for Trump.

    I've given up trying to figure out who the final nominee will be. Yesterday, Amy Klobuchar got some bad press because of a case she handled incorrectly when she was a prosecutor 16 years ago.

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    I watched Bernie's stump speech last night after the Iowa Caucus. It is the same speech he has given a thousand times or more. Same talking points...same pauses for applauses. Classic Bernie waving his hands and all with a faithful audience of "true believers" in everything he says. The math just doesn't work on the multitude of "freebees" he is promising. And he makes no attempt to do the math...just dismissive of any reporters who ask. How dare you ask?

    Steve Schmidt made a somber prediction if Bernie wins the nomination. "The sociopath beats the socialist." Consider that the unemployment rate is about 3.6 percent. And the economy by stock market measures is reasonably good. Would Americans put their trust in Bernie to fix everything that they don't like about a 3.6 percent unemployment rate? I think not.

    And when he starts touting Stephanie Kelton's Modern Monetary Theory economic policies, no matter how viable, he will lose a lot of potential voters from the "center".

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    The Dow went up again over 400 points; Tesla stocks are now at 9000 so what could go wrong? All if this just ahead of the State of the Union? Trump will be the "hero" instead of the "crook" he is. Forget it Democrats; the "mafia" will win because of strict bought "loyalty" Pelosi already cried an bucket full. Schiff has moved to Island to have it an bit of peace.

    Yes this country has it all, including an "dictator" Amen

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    TJ Wrote:

    This is a strange and very very different idea on electricity. Article suggests it may be unpopular in several key states.

    politico.com/news/2020/02/02/bernie-san...

    TJ -- Yes I know it would be very unpopular in Colorado. I don't know about Denver or other areas, but in Colorado Springs we like our publicly owned utilities company. It is one single well run company for supplying electricity, natural gas, water, and sewage, and it works just fine. It is transitioning into more wind and solar as other sources are phased out. Us customers can also specify on our bill that we get a certain percentage of our electricity from solar or wind at a slightly higher fee on our monthly bill. It would accelerate the transition to clean energy and we understand the costs. We can do the math.
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    Lis Lerer, New York Times, February 22, 2020: Bernie Sanders, the Teflon Candidate, Faces Sudden New Tests

    Lisa Lerer's article in the NYT pretty much reiterates what some of us have been saying about Bernie since 2016. She makes references to much of his baggage that would not pass a "purity test" if any of the centrist candidates were guilty of the same things. The term "Teflon Candidate" has much truth to it.

    As Lerer points out what we already know about both Bernie and Trump, any revelation or criticism of these candidates makes their supporters dig in their heels further. It's all about emotions and not critical thinking, and once a voter is emotionally attached to a candidate, its almost impossible to get them to see the light. It's like they are "married" to the person they are so fierce in their defense. That applies to the most rabid of both the Bernie supporters and the Trump supporters. You read about them in Psychology Today and not Time Magazine.

    It does not bode well for the Democratic Party nomination process. The Bernie Bros, the most deeply wedded amongst them, will never vote for another candidate...not even Elizabeth Warren. They will, however, vote for Trump again, not only out of spite but also of the belief it will help accelerate the "revolution". Until you really hit bottom, it's hard to see your way to the top.

    The human mind is a complex thing, and history is replete with examples of how demagogues have been able to control the minds of their constituents. It's really not that hard.

    Demagogue: "a leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and promises in order to gain power."

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    So true, but yeah people here seem to have the same sickness as they had in Germany in the 1930's. Like I've said many times: L'histoire ce repette. Sorry but neither Bernie or Warren and Kobuchar are suited for the job; certainly not if they were raised in the "middle" of this "island". None of them have international experience. Can you imagine Warren as President visiting Putin in her "Walmart" outfit?
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    MSN/New York Times, April 1, 2020: How ‘Never Bernie’ Voters Threw In With Biden and Changed the Primary

    Well we saw this happen in real time. Bernie was the front runner and all of a sudden he wasn't. Just like that.

    What the article discusses is that there was a "Never Bernie" movement looking for a centrist candidate. Biden was doubtful until he found his voice and a very important endorsement by Jim Clyburn. And that's all it took for the centrist herd to move in a huge mass to Biden. Now Biden has to show he is up to the campaign and the job.

    The article discusses how it all came about so quickly behind the scenes and in public. The centrists were afraid of not only Trump but also Bernie. That defines where most Americans stand...in the middle.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    MSN/New York Times, April 1, 2020: How ‘Never Bernie’ Voters Threw In With Biden and Changed the Primary

    Well we saw this happen in real time. Bernie was the front runner and all of a sudden he wasn't. Just like that.

    What the article discusses is that there was a "Never Bernie" movement looking for a centrist candidate. Biden was doubtful until he found his voice and a very important endorsement by Jim Clyburn. And that's all it took for the centrist herd to move in a huge mass to Biden. Now Biden has to show he is up to the campaign and the job.

    The article discusses how it all came about so quickly behind the scenes and in public. The centrists were afraid of not only Trump but also Bernie. That defines where most Americans stand...in the middle.

    I must disagree with your last sentence. Most Americans have no clue where they stand. They are too caught up in trying to exist with the high financial pressure being put on them or they are too lazy to be civically involved or they don’t give a crap.

    40% of the electorate couldn’t be bothered to vote in 2016. That was more than either candidate got in actual votes. I do think that the voting process is a mess and, of course, Republicans want to make it harder but that really is not much of an excuse for not being engaged.