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An Anti Establishment Tidal Wave

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: Your answers are unbelievable; so your answers prove the 85% as you mentioned? What do you care if Europe goes broke? Bernie has got the right idea's, but you keep defending the system here. I call that being an real American armchair hypocrite.

    A hypocrite is someone who says one thing but does another. You can disagree with me as much as you want, but I am no hypocrite.

    I answered your questions. How would you call any of those answers unbelievable? They are true.

    And I care if Europe goes broke because the international monetary system is so interconnected that if one system fails then the other shoe will drop half way across the globe.

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    pr Wrote: Sounds to me like Jared morphing into one of those newer Neo-Liberal Dems. Too bad! I expected a lot better, I must say!!!

    I'm a liberal that sides with the Democratic Party on a majority of issues, but I am able to think for myself. I don't look at the Democratic Party as a monolith like the Republican Party. It's important to have people with various opinions. That's the way parties grow and things actually get accomplished. A "my way or the highway" stance is the worst thing that can happen to a political party.

    When did thinking realistically and not idealistically become a new type of Democrat anyway? Bernie Sanders is promising things to his supporters that he will never be able to deliver. How is pointing out that fact controversial? Promising the world without explaining how your going to fulfill your promises is a recipe for disaster.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Your answers are unbelievable; so your answers prove the 85% as you mentioned? What do you care if Europe goes broke? Bernie has got the right idea's, but you keep defending the system here. I call that being an real American armchair hypocrite.

    A hypocrite is someone who says one thing but does another. You can disagree with me as much as you want, but I am no hypocrite.

    I answered your questions. How would you call any of those answers unbelievable? They are true.

    And I care if Europe goes broke because the international monetary system is so interconnected that if one system fails then the other shoe will drop half way across the globe.

    YEs, you don't get the point that your answers prove that they don't agree 85%. No, Detroit and Atlantic City as well Puerto Rico etc. are broke; not Europe.
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    Dutch Wrote: YEs, you don't get the point that your answers prove that they don't agree 85%. No, Detroit and Atlantic City as well Puerto Rico etc. are broke; not Europe.

    Yes, they do agree on 85% of things. Their ideas of achieving those goals are what is different.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: YEs, you don't get the point that your answers prove that they don't agree 85%. No, Detroit and Atlantic City as well Puerto Rico etc. are broke; not Europe.

    Yes, they do agree on 85% of things. Their ideas of achieving those goals are what is different.

    Let's say that if this is the case; then why the huge lob-sided dispute in the DNC? And why did Hillary not talk/negotiate with him and create a joint platform and unity in the party, well before the present awkward situation? My guess is that "voting" people will look at this situation as an party which is as divided as the GOP and maybe vote for Trump after all, because the GOP at least does claim now, that they are "united" behind Trump.
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    Dutch Wrote: Let's say that if this is the case; then why the huge lob-sided dispute in the DNC? And why did Hillary not talk/negotiate with him and create a joint platform and unity in the party, well before the present awkward situation? My guess is that "voting" people will look at this situation as an party which is as divided as the GOP and maybe vote for Trump after all, because the GOP at least does claim now, that they are "united" behind Trump.

    It's amazing how short peoples memories are in this country. Just as many Hillary supporters insisted they would never, ever vote for Senator Obama back in 2008 and we all know how that turned out. And no, the Democratic Party is not nearly as divided as the Republican Party. The only thing uniting the Republican Party is their dislike of Secretary Clinton. That's not a recipe for victory in November when they have a fascist at the top of their ticket.

    The thing is that Hillary doesn't need to talk/negotiate with Sanders. The primary victor gets to write the majority of the party platform. Clinton will give Sanders a few token compromises at the convention in the same way Obama gave Clinton a few token compromises back in 2008, but if any Bernie supporter is hoping for a "unity" ticket then I would begin to prepare them for their disappointment now because I see little to zero chance of her selecting him as her VP.

    Sanders supporters will eventually fall in line after all the dust settles because their only other option is a Trump Presidency and that would be not only catastrophic for the Democratic Party, it would be catastrophic for the entire country. I have confidence they aren't as idiotic and selfish as that.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Let's say that if this is the case; then why the huge lob-sided dispute in the DNC? And why did Hillary not talk/negotiate with him and create a joint platform and unity in the party, well before the present awkward situation? My guess is that "voting" people will look at this situation as an party which is as divided as the GOP and maybe vote for Trump after all, because the GOP at least does claim now, that they are "united" behind Trump.

    It's amazing how short peoples memories are in this country. Just as many Hillary supporters insisted they would never, ever vote for Senator Obama back in 2008 and we all know how that turned out. And no, the Democratic Party is not nearly as divided as the Republican Party. The only thing uniting the Republican Party is their dislike of Secretary Clinton. That's not a recipe for victory in November when they have a fascist at the top of their ticket.

    The thing is that Hillary doesn't need to talk/negotiate with Sanders. The primary victor gets to write the majority of the party platform. Clinton will give Sanders a few token compromises at the convention in the same way Obama gave Clinton a few token compromises back in 2008, but if any Bernie supporter is hoping for a "unity" ticket then I would begin to prepare them for their disappointment now because I see little to zero chance of her selecting him as her VP.

    Sanders supporters will eventually fall in line after all the dust settles because their only other option is a Trump Presidency and that would be not only catastrophic for the Democratic Party, it would be catastrophic for the entire country. I have confidence they aren't as idiotic and selfish as that.

    Jared, I'm not saying Bernie should be V.P., but a compromise is always better for the party then what they are doing now.

    Like I said DWS is a huge problem for the party and makes Hillary look arrogant.That will turn Bernie voters off.

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    Dutch Wrote: Jared, I'm not saying Bernie should be V.P., but a compromise is always better for the party then what they are doing now.

    What do you mean by "what they are doing now"?

    It would take an actual miracle for Senator Sanders to win the nomination, but he is continuing to promise his supporters they still have a chance to win. Isn't he being the one who is disingenuous?

    Winners don't have to compromise. Do you think Sanders would compromise with Clinton if the roles were reversed and she was trailing badly at this point in the race? You would be lying to yourself if you said yes.

    Dutch Wrote: Like I said DWS is a huge problem for the party and makes Hillary look arrogant.That will turn Bernie voters off.

    I can only assume you don't like Debbie Wasserman Schultz because Senator Sanders told you to not like Debbie Wasserman Schultz. I can also only assume you had no idea who she was until Bernie Sanders starting complaining about how unfair she was.

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    No Jared; did you see and watched what she (DWS) said? Sorry she's the biggest ugly-est bitch I ever have seen. She comes out the swamps in FL; that should say enough.
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    Dutch Wrote: No Jared; did you see and watched what she (DWS) said? Sorry she's the biggest ugly-est bitch I ever have seen. She comes out the swamps in FL; that should say enough.
    What did she say?! I'm sitting on pins and needles waiting to hear the terrible things she said...

    And once again--why all the personal attacks? Can't you write a single post without attacking someone?

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: No Jared; did you see and watched what she (DWS) said? Sorry she's the biggest ugly-est bitch I ever have seen. She comes out the swamps in FL; that should say enough.
    What did she say?! I'm sitting on pins and needles waiting to hear the terrible things she said...

    And once again--why all the personal attacks? Can't you write a single post without attacking someone?

    She was interviewed on CNN and refused to give answers. Sure I learned the "attacking" from Trump and you.
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    Dutch Wrote: She was interviewed on CNN and refused to give answers.

    That one CNN interview where she refused to give answers? What does that even mean?

    What politician on either side of the aisle is ever interviewed on cable news and doesn't give a political answer to a question? Isn't Bernie refusing to answer how he will actually win the nomination if he doesn't win the majority of the votes in the Democratic primary?

    Dutch Wrote: Sure I learned the "attacking" from Trump and you.

    If challenging people to come up with facts and not conjecture is attacking then I guess I'm an attack dog.

    I push back against hearsay and flat out lies. That's my modus operandi. There's nothing that grinds my gears more than someone stating something as fact without backing it up with actual facts. You are free to have any opinion you want, but facts are irrefutable.