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EgyptAir Flight 804 Crash

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Once again media sources and politicians are speculating on the cause of the crash which killed 66 passengers and crew. While the flight recorders have not yet been found and may be almost two miles beneath the sea floor, some clues have been forthcoming from data transmitted by the planes Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System, or ACARS, which sends messages between planes and ground facilities. ACARS sent several information reports of smoke on board the aircraft minutes before it started its quick descent.

    ACARS reported problems with an anti-ice window in the cockpit, a sliding window in the cockpit, smoke in the lavatory, smoke in the avionics compartment below the cockpit, a fixed window, the autopilot and the flight control system. It suggests an incendiary device located near the cockpit, but it also could have been something mechanical like a short circuit.

    The Aviation Herald reports:

    On May 20th 2016 The Aviation Herald received information from three independent channels, that ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System) messages with following content were received from the aircraft:

    00:26Z 3044 ANTI ICE R WINDOW
    00:26Z 561200 R SLIDING WINDOW SENSOR
    00:26Z 2600 SMOKE LAVATORY SMOKE
    00:27Z 2600 AVIONICS SMOKE
    00:28Z 561100 R FIXED WINDOW SENSOR
    00:29Z 2200 AUTO FLT FCU 2 FAULT
    00:29Z 2700 F/CTL SEC 3 FAULT
    no further ACARS messages were received.

    Early May 21st 2016 the French BEA confirmed there were ACARS messages just prior to break down of communications warning however that they are insufficient to understand the causes of the accident until flight data or cockpit voice recorders have been found. Priority as of current is to find the wreckage and the recorders.

    In the meantime speculation continues. However, one person is absolutely certain he knows the cause. Quoting Donald Trump as per ABC News:

    "A plane got blown out of the sky," the presumptive Republican presidential nominee said at a fundraiser in Lawrenceville, N.J., tonight. "And if anything, if anybody thinks it wasn’t blown out of the sky, you are 100 percent wrong, folks. OK? You're 100 percent wrong."

  • Independent
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    However; the Trump "media" and followers think this is great. Here we have a person, who dares to make up things before they are proven. Wow, we need such person in the White House, then at least we can start more wars then we already started. He needs "medals" just like our 999 generals. Of course if he wins then America gets what they deserve.

    Anyway in any aircraft, since it is an "man" made machine things can go wrong; even in an Boeing. Ask my lawnmower; it quits when it wants to quit.

  • Independent
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    Sorry to say Hillary made a stupid statement as well: "...........it appears to be an act of terrorism". Again: nothing is known yet about any cause; it could have been bad maintenance/wiring/mechanical, looking at the ACCARS info.

    So why do we elect such stupid un-intelligent candidates? I just wonder. By this statement she sounds as stupid as Trump.

    Maybe we either never know or it will take month to recover the "tell tale" sections of the aircraft, if it indeed crash landed in about 10,000 ft. of deep water. For our "presumptive" leaders to make these statement this is kind of third graders stuff, certainly not very Presidential.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    There is no equivalence to Hillary's statement versus Trump's. Hillary's was a measured tone..."appears" is the word. Trump was an emphatic "100 percent right".
  • Liberal
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    I hate to fly!
  • Independent
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    pr Wrote: I hate to fly!
    I guess you don't know what you are missing; it is so cozy standing in line for hours to have your sweaty shoes checked for bombs. Then of course the fun starts on board when you get your "cookie/meal" which makes you barf while you sit with your knees in the seat before you and a screaming kid besides you or an fat ass American full with tattoo's burbs in your face As well an farting hillbilly redneck reading an Kentucky fried Bibble. Then after all of this and you arrive in your frumbled suit , your suitcase is missing as well your wallet and laptop. But be glad you landed safely because Bin Laden made sure of it.
  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote: There is no equivalence to Hillary's statement versus Trump's. Hillary's was a measured tone..."appears" is the word. Trump was an emphatic "100 percent right".
    Schmidt, why even defend this. Lets get real, it is a stupid statement from both of them. Stop defending ignorance.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    It's not ignorance. It's politics.
  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote: It's not ignorance. It's politics.
    How about naïve ignorant politics; now happy?
  • Liberal
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    I still hate to fly. I've known too many commercial pilots and seen how they live ;(
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Hillary is running scared. She said that in case it is true. At this point ACARS has only supplied data. No opinions. Did Trump make his statement before the ACARS data. Hillary made her's after indicating either special or privledged knowledge. Places her in an official position rather than loud mouthing like Trump.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    pr Wrote: I still hate to fly. I've known too many commercial pilots and seen how they live ;(
    I knew a pilot who flew L1011's. He said he didn't like the afternoon flight home from Rome. Said at that time of the day the angle the sunlight came in the cockpit prevented him from sleeping.
  • Independent
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    pr Wrote: I still hate to fly. I've known too many commercial pilots and seen how they live ;(
    How can you say that again, after I mentioned all the "fun" you can have on a flight from NH to hillbilly heaven in Alabama. In your camper you miss all that fun, at least you can cook your own delicious meal. By the way, on the Hadjhi flights to Mecca, they remove all the "normal"seats in the plane; replace these with disposable one's ( Martinair did) and they cook also their own meal (while flying) on a " spiritus" (Dutch word) burner in the aisle. Talking about airline safety.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    The Guardian, May 25th: EgyptAir flight 804: deep-sea hunt for 'black boxes' as week passes since crash

    It has now been one week since the plane crashed. Egypt is now in the process of hiring a couple of French private contractors, Mauritius-based Deep Ocean Search and Alseamar, to help locate the black boxes in water depths up to 3,000 meters.

    The US Navy has not yet been asked to help in the search for the black boxes, although they have some of the most advanced technology to help detect the black box "pinging" in deep water. After about 30 days, it doesn't matter because the batteries will run out.

    As all of this is taking valuable time, are there any thoughts that it'll be lost forever, like MH 370 in the Indian Ocean?

  • Center Left
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    I am hoping really hard that the black box / es are found and that the cause is something other than a hostile takeover or an explosion. Sadly the lives are lost but a positive would be if it became apparent that our resident loud mouth hater was wrong. Just wrong plain and simple. I'm not sure how many Muslims there are in the world but I'll guess 1.5 B. If we can cement their infinate distrust and other negative sentiments...... that would be very good. Mit proved 4 years ago that landing a large percentage of white voters is not nearly enough.

    Muslims, Latinos, women of all kinds, LBGT are large segments. Asian (I recently read) often trend towords Democrats. If the sad little Bernie voters sit at home and pout..... it could be uncomfortably close. DT has locked down the stupid white man votes.