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Nevada Democratic Convention Disaster

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    Carlitos Wrote:

    Reports of violence and mayhem are way overblown for obvious reasons.

    Bernie condemned said violence.

    There is no reason for any of this to have happened in the first place.

    Clinton people should be focused on bringing in Bernie people, not provoking them.

    Something is wrong with them if they think otherwise.

    This nomination is Clinton's to lose. The Clinton team is the front runner and they need to act like it.

    This kind of foolishness is why the Democratic Party cannot capitalize on Republican insanity; they fail to inspire their own base. HIPPIE PUNCHING HAS NEVER WON AN ELECTION FOR DEMOCRATS.

    If Clinton can't beat Trump in 2016, something is very wrong with our candidate, very bleeping wrong. The paranoia over Sanders' campaign is telling.

    Yes Bernie eventually condemned the violence...but not very passionately.

    The reason it happened is that many of the Bernie supporters did not fully understand the rules. As a former delegate in these kind of events, I can certainly attest to the confusion. While some of the people administering these events are carry overs from the previous four years, for the most part everyone is a new volunteer. If mistakes were made, there was nothing sinister in them. I tell you, it's an enormous coordination effort to pull off events like these every four years with mostly volunteers. While most seasoned veterans will take any hiccups in stride, those who passionately follow their candidate may read something into a hiccup that wasn't there. Bernie's supporters need to be more realistic and stop complaining.

    Regarding your comment that Hillary is "provoking" the Bernie people, I just don't see it, or I don't understand what you mean by "provoking". Maybe that's a bad choice of words. Hillary has been careful not to alienate the rather fragile Bernie supporters, and has never made any suggestion that he should quit the campaign. On the other hand, Bernie keeps bringing it up "playing the victim" in front of his crowds.

    Furthermore, neither Hillary nor the DNC has any control over these state run events. They are entirely organized and run by the state party leaders with a ton of volunteers. There are many committees meeting and discussing how to pull everything together, including the Rules Committee and the Credentials Committee. These committees are comprised of ordinary folks like you and me, and they are all dedicated volunteers elected by their own members. There are no "back room" deals being made.

    Bernie is fulfilling a life long ambition with his political revolution and has been energized by the masses of young people now following him. His rhetoric at his rallies has evolved from "being kind to Hillary" to more "us versus them", with "them" not being the Republicans, but rather the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton. Both he and his wife appear to me to have become more angry, and as he sees the election not going his way, he and his followers are feeling the frustration. I can understand that to an extent, but if they are planning protests for the Philadelphia convention, these protests can turn ugly in a hurry with an angry unruly crowd. Only Bernie Sanders can rein them in.

    And no, Hillary and the Democratic Party leadership are not "hippie punching". You don't have to yell. Yes, some pundits may be doing that but they don't speak for the Hillary campaign or the DNC.

    I am probably one of the few people who has actually spent hours and hours at both Hillary's and Bernie's websites looking at their proposals or where they stand on the issues. For the most part there are few differences, the exceptions being the health care plans and college education. You can browse the links and compare proposals and plans for both candidates. This is what we should be discussing. Let's take the emotions out of it and sit down and read.

    Hillaryclinton.com Issues

    Hillaryclinton.com Briefing/Fact Sheets

    Berniesanders.com Issues

    Feelthebern.org. Issues

    I should add that I was critical of Bernie's websites and lack of details early in his campaign. He has hired some good professionals to make them more appealing. Hillary's has always looked good to me.

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    Unfortunately for you and the country she doesn't look that great to many voters, both Republican and Democratic, not to mention Independents. The Democrates holier that thou aura, unfortunately may very well lose them the election and they can only blame themselves. They have done everything possible to discourage, not to mention stop, Bernie voters in the primary's and it will come back to bite them in the ass.

    When you refuse to admit that mainstream Democrats today are yesterday's moderate Republicans and that Bernies'supporters are the real historical Democrats you are in deep, deep trouble and that is becoming more apparent every day.

    Here us a good commentary on the subject, not to mention the comments, that shows just how polarized the ademocratsDemocrats are and his it's going to kill them in the end.

    salon.com/2016/05/18/yes_bernies_waging...

    BTW, I support Berine but will vote for Hillary in an instant when she starts act like a Democrat.

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    Schmidt Wrote:
    Carlitos Wrote:

    Reports of violence and mayhem are way overblown for obvious reasons.

    Bernie condemned said violence.

    There is no reason for any of this to have happened in the first place.

    Clinton people should be focused on bringing in Bernie people, not provoking them.

    Something is wrong with them if they think otherwise.

    This nomination is Clinton's to lose. The Clinton team is the front runner and they need to act like it.

    This kind of foolishness is why the Democratic Party cannot capitalize on Republican insanity; they fail to inspire their own base. HIPPIE PUNCHING HAS NEVER WON AN ELECTION FOR DEMOCRATS.

    If Clinton can't beat Trump in 2016, something is very wrong with our candidate, very bleeping wrong. The paranoia over Sanders' campaign is telling.

    Yes Bernie eventually condemned the violence...but not very passionately.

    The reason it happened is that many of the Bernie supporters did not fully understand the rules. As a former delegate in these kind of events, I can certainly attest to the confusion. While some of the people administering these events are carry overs from the previous four years, for the most part everyone is a new volunteer. If mistakes were made, there was nothing sinister in them. I tell you, it's an enormous coordination effort to pull off events like these every four years with mostly volunteers. While most seasoned veterans will take any hiccups in stride, those who passionately follow their candidate may read something into a hiccup that wasn't there. Bernie's supporters need to be more realistic and stop complaining.

    Regarding your comment that Hillary is "provoking" the Bernie people, I just don't see it, or I don't understand what you mean by "provoking". Maybe that's a bad choice of words. Hillary has been careful not to alienate the rather fragile Bernie supporters, and has never made any suggestion that he should quit the campaign. On the other hand, Bernie keeps bringing it up "playing the victim" in front of his crowds.

    Furthermore, neither Hillary nor the DNC has any control over these state run events. They are entirely organized and run by the state party leaders with a ton of volunteers. There are many committees meeting and discussing how to pull everything together, including the Rules Committee and the Credentials Committee. These committees are comprised of ordinary folks like you and me, and they are all dedicated volunteers elected by their own members. There are no "back room" deals being made.

    Bernie is fulfilling a life long ambition with his political revolution and has been energized by the masses of young people now following him. His rhetoric at his rallies has evolved from "being kind to Hillary" to more "us versus them", with "them" not being the Republicans, but rather the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton. Both he and his wife appear to me to have become more angry, and as he sees the election not going his way, he and his followers are feeling the frustration. I can understand that to an extent, but if they are planning protests for the Philadelphia convention, these protests can turn ugly in a hurry with an angry unruly crowd. Only Bernie Sanders can rein them in.

    And no, Hillary and the Democratic Party leadership are not "hippie punching". You don't have to yell. Yes, some pundits may be doing that but they don't speak for the Hillary campaign or the DNC.

    I am probably one of the few people who has actually spent hours and hours at both Hillary's and Bernie's websites looking at their proposals or where they stand on the issues. For the most part there are few differences, the exceptions being the health care plans and college education. You can browse the links and compare proposals and plans for both candidates. This is what we should be discussing. Let's take the emotions out of it and sit down and read.

    Hillaryclinton.com Issues

    Hillaryclinton.com Briefing/Fact Sheets

    Berniesanders.com Issues

    Feelthebern.org. Issues

    I should add that I was critical of Bernie's websites and lack of details early in his campaign. He has hired some good professionals to make them more appealing. Hillary's has always looked good to me.

    Schmidt,

    Please watch this video: youtube.com/watch?v=tVa4G32M7Bc

    Lange is a member of the DNC's executive committee by the way.

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    pr Wrote: Unfortunately for you and the country she doesn't look that great to many voters, both Republican and Democratic, not to mention Independents. The Democrates holier that thou aura, unfortunately may very well lose them the election and they can only blame themselves. They have done everything possible to discourage, not to mention stop, Bernie voters in the primary's and it will come back to bite them in the ass.

    When you refuse to admit that mainstream Democrats today are yesterday's moderate Republicans and that Bernies'supporters are the real historical Democrats you are in deep, deep trouble and that is becoming more apparent every day.

    Clinton has won more votes than any other candidate in both political parties. She's received more than a million more votes than Trump and three million more than Sanders. Is it possible that mainstream Democrats are the ones who are voting for her?

    And what is a "real historical Democrat" anyway? The Democrats of the Jim Crow south? The Democrats of the Vietnam War? The political parties philosophies have ebbed and flowed throughout time. The Democratic Party of the 1950's and 60's is a hell of a lot different than the Democratic Party of 2016.

    Maybe modern day Democrats understand that in order to get anything done you have to appeal to the masses. Having a strict and narrow ideology is great for any base, but nothing will ever get done because of the way our government is set up.