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Nevada Democratic Convention Disaster

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Based on what I understand, this is was a complete bleeping disaster for Democrats. No way to run a party.

    Bad for Clinton. Bad for Sanders. I'm not blaming Clinton for what happened, but clearly the Clinton allies in Nevada were up to no good. Might have saved her Nevada votes, but cost her much more later on.

    Here's the best summation of what happened I've found:

    reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/commen...

  • Liberal
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    Unfortunately this highlights just why the Democratic party has become the Republican light party. They are more interested in the party than the country. A little bit more socially liberal but basically as conservative as the Republicans are when it comes to everything else. Is it any wonder people don't care about voting any more?
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Just to be clear on that point. This is the Nevada Democratic Party and not the national party.

    Secondly, as one who has run caucus meetings in Colorado, I think that the caucuses as a whole are unfair. When I was canvassing for Hillary trying to get likely Hillary voters out for our caucus meeting on March 1st so many of them told me that the timing (7:00 pm on a Tuesday night) was just too inconvenient for them. Caucuses disenfranchise certain demographics of voters and those voters are more inclined to be Hillary supporters.

    During primary elections and general elections in Colorado, early voting is open three weeks prior to the elections. And all registered voters receive ballots in the mail that they can either drop off at convenient drop off locations or mail in. On the other hand, for caucuses, voters must show up promptly by 7:00 pm and then listen to a rather long agenda starting with the pledge of allegiance and ending with the choosing of delegates. It takes about two hours.

    At our caucus it was relatively easily to fill up car loads of young college kids (Bernie supporters) from the dorms down the street. They dominated the meeting. I don't want to be critical of them. I commend them for their activism. However, I know also that many strong Hillary supporters that I met could not be there because of the timing.

    So while Bernie Sanders extolls the big victories he had in just about every caucus state, just remember that there were many working moms and dads with kids that could not attend...or were effectively disenfranchised.

    When we separated into two groups at the meeting, I could not help but notice the contrast in ages....young 20 somethings on one side and a much smaller bunch of 60s and 70s something on the other side. Not many in the middle age groups.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    That seems pretty blatant. If chair could do that legally why go through all the process. Just walk in, declare results and leave. Safer.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    That is one perspective on what happened. For those not knowledgeable of the caucus process, candidates not only have to win their delegates at the precinct caucuses, but those elected as delegates must show up for the nominating conventions. Delegates also must be registered Democrats and provide all the necessary information to be validated. That's the way it was when I was a delegate in Colorado and that's the way it was for Nevada. You may not like the rules, but those are, nevertheless, the rules.

    Hillary Clinton won the Nevada Caucus on February 20 with 53 percent of the vote to 47 percent for Sanders. That would earn her 20 pledged delegates to Bernies 15.

    Here's the facts compliments of Jon Ralston:

    Jon Ralston, May 16. 2016: The sour grapes revolution that rocked the Paris Hotel.

    1. Sanders lost the caucus on Feb. 20. He had no right to the most delegates, even if the Clinton campaign was asleep at the switch for the county conventions. The Sanders campaign simply did not follow through. As the Medium post reveals, the Sanders folks just did not show up; the Clinton delegates did:

    Clinton only had 27 delegate positions vacant on Saturday. Sanders left 462 vacant. Clinton filled 98 percent of her available delegate slots at the State Convention, and Sanders only filled 78 percent of his available delegate slots.

    End of story. They lost

    2. On the 64 delegates the Sanders campaign insists should have been seated, the Democratic Party post reveals only six showed up and:

    The remaining potential delegates were ineligible for two main reasons: 1) They were not registered Democratic voters in Nevada by May 1, 2016, and 2) Their information?—?such as address, date of birth and name?—?could not be found or identified, and they did not respond to requests from the party and campaigns to correct it.

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    Bernie Sanders has been whining about the Democratic Party forever. He only joined it a year ago, reluctantly to use it as a mechanism to launch his political revolution.

    Now for the rest of the story of Bernie Sanders supporters screaming sexist profanities at the Nevada Democratic organizers, language that is worse than anything heard at a Trump rally. Read on Bernie supporters about hate:

    Huffington Post: Bernie Sanders Supporters Unleash Sexist, Nasty Attacks On Nevada’s Dem Chair

    That kind of language is not a part of the Democratic Party. Those who engage in those angry tirades do not belong in the party. To use the language of Trump, "Kick the bums out."

    Bernie remains silent...

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt, 6 of the 64 delegates were re-credentialed (they were already credentialed), not 6 of the 64 actually showed up.

    rawstory.com/2016/05/nevada-democrats-d...

    This is all a complete disaster for the Democratic Party.

    From the date of the convention (graduation day), the questionable rejection of Sanders delegate credentials, the voice votes, arrogance of the chair, to the aftermath it provoked..........this was a complete disaster for the Democratic Party as a whole.

    In the words of Gorbachev's wife: We cannot go on living like this.

    I do not see how the growing divide can be healed by election day. The Democratic Party establishment in the tank for Hillary cannot help but fuck that up further.

    It's not Sanders who has lost sight of Trump but Hillary's people.

    Nevada was not worth the fight and bitterness caused by its convention proceedings.

    There was no reason for any of this. Sanders has to do a lot more damage than what was on the table for Hillary to lose this thing.

    I think the idea was to provoke.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    As I said, Hillary Clinton won the Nevada Caucus on February 20th with 53 percent of the vote to 47 percent for Sanders. That would have earned her 20 pledged delegates to Bernie's 15.

    After the county conventions and state convention, the delegate split ended up exactly at 20 for Hillary and 15 for Bernie. I don't understand what all the fuzz is about. I was a delegate for Obama in 2008 at both the Colorado county and state conventions, and the party works hard to see that the original caucus split at the precinct level is preserved. Not only that they push hard for diversity in the delegates in terms of ethnicity and gender. And as a delegate I had to fill out personal paper work, and I was reminded again and again that I had to attend and be there for my vote to count.

    That's the way the process worked in Colorado, and I would think similarly in Nevada. Nothing was unfair. It's all sour grapes.

    The Democratic Party rules were adhered to. If the Bernie supporters don't like the rules, they can join the party. So many of them are not even Democrats.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Hillary lost 2 delegates due to Clarke county because her people didn't show at the county convention, but at the state convention the the rules were changed to reflect the original count under nefarious parliamentary procedure. So you can't have it both ways.

    Plenty of sour grapes here because the Clinton people cannot be honest about what has happened.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Whatever you feel about it, there are other sources that would disagree with you. Never mind, the Bernie supporters who caused all the havoc and resorted to some of the most hideous attacks and threats against the Democratic Party chair and her family deserve to be booted out. They are worse than Trump supporters.

    Bernie needs to call them out. Instead he is supporting them. I guess this is getting close to the way revolutions usually work. They are threatening similar behavior in Philadelphia. Is that the way "revolution" works?

  • Liberal
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    That's what happens when a political party becomes overly and obviously corrupt as the Party of Democrats have. People are beginning to realize the people who really pull the stings in the Democratic party are just as corrupt as their Republican counterparts. When the leader (DWS) is as crooked as any Republican, her minions follow along in lockstep. Bernie has never had a fighting chance because the system is rigged from the top down.

    The Democratic Party doesn't represent the people anymore and they haven't for almost as long as the Republicans. I would rather identify with Bernie and his ideals and goals over anything Hillary, of the supposedly, "real" Democrats propose!

    Hillary is a horrible candidate with only one redeeming value - she is better than Trump - not a very high hurdle or much to be proud of, in my opinion.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    pr Wrote: That's what happens when a political party becomes overly and obviously corrupt as the Party of Democrats have. People are beginning to realize the people who really pull the stings in the Democratic party are just as corrupt as their Republican counterparts. When the leader (DWS) is as crooked as any Republican, her minions follow along in lockstep. Bernie has never had a fighting chance because the system is rigged from the top down.

    Corruption is a very charged word and one that shouldn't be thrown about lightly. What exactly has Debbie Wasserman Schultz done that would lead you to believe she is doing illegal activities in exchange for money or gifts? Accusing someone of corruption is one thing; providing information as to why/how they are corrupt is another thing entirely.

    Just because you don't like the fact that Bernie isn't winning doesn't mean that it's a rigged system. Bernie tends to win caucuses where people have to sit around for hours after a long day of work and try to convince other people to be on his team. Hillary tends to win primaries where people can vote at any time during the day. This isn't always the case, as Oregon has shown, but Oregon has been the exception and not the norm.

    The fact of the matter is that Hillary Clinton has won more than 3 million more votes than Senator Sanders in this primary. That may make you angry, but it doesn't prove that the Democratic Party is corrupt.

    pr Wrote: The Democratic Party doesn't represent the people anymore and they haven't for almost as long as the Republicans. I would rather identify with Bernie and his ideals and goals over anything Hillary, of the supposedly, "real" Democrats propose!

    Hillary is a horrible candidate with only one redeeming value - she is better than Trump - not a very high hurdle or much to be proud of, in my opinion.

    12,989,134 people disagree with this line of thought.
  • Liberal
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    Corrupt has many meanings. I don't think there is any doubt that DWS is corrupt as many of the top people in BOTH parties.

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption

    13 million Democratic voters don't agree with me! No surprise there. How many agree with Trump instead? Did you vote for Bernie yesterday? If you did why, if you didn't why not? I voted for him back in Feburary and I'd do it again in a second even though I'd still vote for Hillary if she is the nominee in the end.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    pr Wrote: Corrupt has many meanings. I don't think there is any doubt that DWS is corrupt as many of the top people in BOTH parties.

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption

    No, corrupt doesn't have many meanings. Words mean things. Just because you don't like her doesn't mean she is corrupt.

    pr Wrote: 13 million Democratic voters don't agree with me! No surprise there. How many agree with Trump instead? Did you vote for Bernie yesterday? If you did why, if you didn't why not? I voted for him back in Feburary and I'd do it again in a second even though I'd still vote for Hillary if she is the nominee in the end.

    No, I didn't vote for Bernie yesterday. I was going to until I saw the garbage his supporters did in Nevada. Clinton won 52% of the vote in Nevada and Bernie supporters threw a hissy fit and tried to act like they won.


    I like many of Bernie Sanders positions, but he is promising things he knows can never produce on a national level. I've come to believe that he would be a great mayor of a big liberal city, but he would never be a good President. Presidents are not kings and they can't just wave a wand and get everything they want. They must work with Congress and he doesn't have the backing of pretty much any member of Congress.

    I'm a logical thinker, not an idealistic one. Bernie is idealistic and Hillary is realistic. Revolutions only happen when the vast majority of a populace is willing to go through with it; not when a fraction of one political party is.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Whatever you feel about it, there are other sources that would disagree with you. Never mind, the Bernie supporters who caused all the havoc and resorted to some of the most hideous attacks and threats against the Democratic Party chair and her family deserve to be booted out. They are worse than Trump supporters.

    Bernie needs to call them out. Instead he is supporting them. I guess this is getting close to the way revolutions usually work. They are threatening similar behavior in Philadelphia. Is that the way "revolution" works?

    Reports of violence and mayhem are way overblown for obvious reasons.

    Bernie condemned said violence.

    There is no reason for any of this to have happened in the first place.

    Clinton people should be focused on bringing in Bernie people, not provoking them.

    Something is wrong with them if they think otherwise.

    This nomination is Clinton's to lose. The Clinton team is the front runner and they need to act like it.

    This kind of foolishness is why the Democratic Party cannot capitalize on Republican insanity; they fail to inspire their own base. HIPPIE PUNCHING HAS NEVER WON AN ELECTION FOR DEMOCRATS.

    If Clinton can't beat Trump in 2016, something is very wrong with our candidate, very bleeping wrong. The paranoia over Sanders' campaign is telling.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Please note: I fully support Sanders and what he is trying to do.

    But I would still vote for Hillary in the general election if I lived in a swing state.