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Senator Sanders supports a Federal Jobs Program

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Q: "A direct, federally-funded jobs program is on the table with you?"

    A: "Absolutely." ~Sen. Sanders

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Will work as long as the government jobs are manufacturing jobs required to meet quotas otherwise there is a no initiative required.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Nonsense.
  • Independent
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    Carlitos Wrote: Nonsense.
    are you saying chet's reply is nonsense or a federal jobs program is nonsense?
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Quoting Bernie Sanders:

    "So in addition to proposing a trillion-dollar jobs program, rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, what we also have proposed is a program along with Congressman John Conyers, which focuses on youth unemployment, specifically putting young people to work, putting them in school, getting them the job training that they need. Because at the end of the day if kids have some income, and they’'re doing some constructive activity, the likelihood that they get mixed up in illegal activity is much, much less.

    "So focusing on young people especially, providing jobs and education rather than jails and incarceration would be a major priority of a Sanders administration.

    "There are two elements. Number one, we have to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. That is, our roads and our bridges, our water systems, our waste water plants, airports, rail, et cetera, et cetera. But second of all, when we talk about job creation the federal money has got to go into those areas that need it the most. And what is happening in inner cities all over this country is a story that is not being effectively told. But we have crisis after crisis after crisis. Crumbling public school systems, high unemployment, mass incarceration rates. We’'ve got to start focusing on rebuilding inner cities in America.

    "JAY: So a direct federally-funded jobs program is on the table with you.

    "SANDERS: Absolutely.

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    I agree with Bernie Sanders. This is something that Hillary Clinton should make as a part of her platform.

  • Liberal
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    I agree fully, but there is an awful lot that Hillary has to subscribe to and without Bernie's pushing I'm afraid it's just not going to happen.
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    pr Wrote: I agree fully, but there is an awful lot that Hillary has to subscribe to and without Bernie's pushing I'm afraid it's just not going to happen.

    P.R. yes you see it correct; Hillary is way to arrogant and will play it "safe" related to the boys with the "money".

    Anyway a "federal funded job program" is already in place; Join the Army!!! (or become an government employee)

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    There should be no question that we need a massive infrastructure program, which would serve as a massive jobs program. That is a no brainer, and even many Republicans realize that. If we had a Republican president, it would have happened five years ago. But Republicans are united in their opposition to Obama on just about everything, except trade policies.

    We also need to address the youth unemployment, particularly in the inner cities. That is also a no brainer.

    All it requires is political will, something that is lacking right now in our discourse.

    There were 8.7 million jobs lost in the first two years of the Great Recession, most all of these due to market conditions, some to automation and quite a bit fewer to trade agreements. We have had a jobs retraining program called Trade Adjustment Assistance (TAA), that largely focused on helping workers retrain who had lost their jobs due to trade. It was discontinued by Republicans in 2015 because of its perceived ineffectiveness relative to the amount of money spent. Some of that criticism is warranted. Many people got retrained for jobs that also went away.

    Yet according to CNN Money, America today has a near record 5.6 million job openings, but Americans as a whole do not have the skills to fill those jobs. We need a comprehensive hard honest look at why we have jobs aplenty but also still have unemployment and under employment...a skills gap. There are lots of proposals on the table by politicians, some of which sound like pandering to me. We need to separate out the political bullshit from the real proposals that can stimulate employment. In that regard, a guaranteed federally funded jobs program could be a big part of it, particularly for young people feeling marginalized by society.

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    Schmidt, we discussed this before. The skill levels are not here because of our education system. It is lacking a "connection" to the industry. Some institution do a good job like ITT, but there a too few of them, as well no free tuition. Especially nowadays, because of manufacturing/product advances you need different skill levels than years ago. The US education system is too slow to adapt as well if they adapt via computers etc., then they still don't focus on the industry on how they use computers for manufacturing as well logistics. As a matter of fact lower skills and the higher skills are missing like in politics a "independent" area of skills. As long as education does not adapt this "gap" will get only wider and wider and these type of jobs disappear to countries who have these skills.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    What ever the government does is paid from taxes. If you want great things from the government then expand its income revenue. Create selfsustaing jobs. Direct taxes to penalize gambling and reward jobs entrepreneurship. Money is zero sum. Some segments confuse wealth with money. That is where a lot of theory is a diservice. Most great wealth is the owning of credit. Money is currency. Accountants and maybe economists look at balance sheets. That is nonsense because the same money is represented on multiple balance sheets as credit. Every economist acknowledges that a fixed amount of money can create unlimited credit. Policy should be based on the velicity of money not credit. 20 dollars of high velocity money can create thousands of dollars of dynamic trade or the same 20 dollars can create thousands of dollars of stagnating credit. Stagnating credit like post 2000 futures secures gambling for the purpose of generating fees. That is zero velocity and unemployment. The purpose and definition of an economy is trading in goods and services. Everything and anything else like derivatives uses the word economy to legitimize their existence. The same applies to capitalism. There is no better way to sustain society than through the rewards of capitalism. The acknowledgement of effort by rewarding with money. That is how accomplishments are made and a society is maintained. The operation of modern finances is far removed from capitalism. Monopolies and trusts operating under the guise of capitalism are removing money from the system. An economy and capitalism are totally dependent on money to operate. The evolving system is focused on and rewards removing money from the economy. That is the end of an economy.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Will work as long as the government jobs are manufacturing jobs required to meet quotas otherwise there is a no initiative required.

    Right now we as a country do not have any discretionary money. To spend money on infrastructure which does not have an immediate return on investment is not good at this time. The government should focus on creating selsustaining jobs that will increase income tax revenue. When that is started then start spending the anticipated income on infrastructure. Putting money in the hands of people that will spend it should be money from a renewable source. An unfunded stimulus is a mistake. There is a chance that an unrelated stimulus could spur growth but it is minimal and short lived. A start up effort should be applied to something that has the potential to continue running of its own accord once started.

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    Dutch Wrote: Schmidt, we discussed this before. The skill levels are not here because of our education system. It is lacking a "connection" to the industry. Some institution do a good job like ITT, but there a too few of them, as well no free tuition. Especially nowadays, because of manufacturing/product advances you need different skill levels than years ago. The US education system is too slow to adapt as well if they adapt via computers etc., then they still don't focus on the industry on how they use computers for manufacturing. As a matter of fact lower skills and the higher skills are missing like in politics a "independent" area of skills. As long as education does not adapt this "gap" will get only wider and wider and these type of jobs disappear to countries who have these skills.

    Dutch -- When you say the US education system is too slow to adapt, I am not sure what aspect of our system you are addressing. According to the CNN Money article, most of the skill gaps are in vocational trades like plumbing, electricians and truck drivers where the lack of apprenticeships is perhaps one of the biggest contributors to that skills gap.

    "America lost 11,000 apprenticeship programs between 2002 and last year, according to Labor Department figures. There were just under 21,000 programs in the country last year. Those who run apprenticeship programs cite the declining influence of labor unions -- a major supporter of apprenticeships -- as one reason why programs have shut down.

    "The Obama administration has been trying to fix this gap by increasing its investments in job training: last year it set aside $175 million for apprenticeship programs, a record amount."

    Still, businesses are reluctant to train new employees for fear that they'll be poached by other companies. This is why the federal government needs to provide the necessary incentives to fill the skills gap. Republicans as usual are opposed.

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    "What ever the government does is paid from taxes"

    Nope. Been trying to learn you for weeks.

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    Schmidt Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Schmidt, we discussed this before. The skill levels are not here because of our education system. It is lacking a "connection" to the industry. Some institution do a good job like ITT, but there a too few of them, as well no free tuition. Especially nowadays, because of manufacturing/product advances you need different skill levels than years ago. The US education system is too slow to adapt as well if they adapt via computers etc., then they still don't focus on the industry on how they use computers for manufacturing. As a matter of fact lower skills and the higher skills are missing like in politics a "independent" area of skills. As long as education does not adapt this "gap" will get only wider and wider and these type of jobs disappear to countries who have these skills.

    Dutch -- When you say the US education system is too slow to adapt, I am not sure what aspect of our system you are addressing. According to the CNN Money article, most of the skill gaps are in vocational trades like plumbing, electricians and truck drivers where the lack of apprenticeships is perhaps one of the biggest contributors to that skills gap.

    "America lost 11,000 apprenticeship programs between 2002 and last year, according to Labor Department figures. There were just under 21,000 programs in the country last year. Those who run apprenticeship programs cite the declining influence of labor unions -- a major supporter of apprenticeships -- as one reason why programs have shut down.

    "The Obama administration has been trying to fix this gap by increasing its investments in job training: last year it set aside $175 million for apprenticeship programs, a record amount."

    Still, businesses are reluctant to train new employees for fear that they'll be poached by other companies. This is why the federal government needs to provide the necessary incentives to fill the skills gap. Republicans as usual are opposed.

    You should know via your excellent research capability; that industries are continuing investing in new technologies. Sure I agree with you that an apprentice program is excellent, however even the connection/tie from college to any such apprentice program is lacking. As you know I worked in the aviation industry; each time I got schooled in new techniques, designs, automation as well had to know the whole aircraft inside out as well what sells it and how it performs. Also all the"vendors" and why their product selection including the logistis to get an in time ordering procedure, as well all the issues getting a simulator contract and have the thing built to your specs.Then I had to study all the contract procedures as well be part of the sales team and coordinate the delivery process etc. I could go on and on. Down here there is way too much focus on just one area, which I noticed when I came here. That is why people here have difficulty to connect the dots, as well lack the ability to have an satellite view of things on how all the pieces fit together. That also applies to political/ military/ money views. I call such down here "tunnel vision". Just like the religious people who refuse to look at the universe as a complicated huge thing, but just only concentrate on just a paper book, but refuse/can't comprehend to look at the complete picture of the universe as well science developments about it. Then don't forget our foreign policies which never looks at consequences as well study a total picture of any region with which we either do trade, bomb, or meddle. The word is "flexibility" as well the ability to adapt to a different things, the world and industry. Like now: 3D modeling; even plumbing is not the same anymore; ask Flint.
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    Carlitos Wrote:

    "What ever the government does is paid from taxes"

    Nope. Been trying to learn you for weeks.

    Carlos, You and the theoreticians are hung up on assuming that neophytes consider taxes as operating revnue. My consideration for the roll of taxes if used correctly taxes influence and direct money toward full employment and high velocity. For a society to not only exist but thrive it needs trade. Trade needs money. Unemployment is the result of undercondumption. Give people money and they will spend it. People don't have money to spend. Money is being stagnated because financiers have solved the labor problem. They have gotten rid of labor by generating income by not manufacturing a product for sale. In a responsible society taxes are needed to direct money. Taxes in the form of rewards and punishment. When I say taxes I am using the word to include the concept of taxation. Deductions, credits and liabilities. Economics has changed drastically since 2000 and the CFMA.