Dutch Wrote: Jared, sorry you still are an young guy who still has to learn a lot. You've got no idea, like most Americans on how things in Europe work; since you live far away in Oregon as well are educated here the American way. The meddling of the US will eventually backfire, like all our foreign policies.
You keep forgetting that I'm marrying an Irish citizen.
Just because I'm younger than you and don't agree with every word you say doesn't mean that I have no idea what I'm talking about. And just because I live in Oregon doesn't mean that I can't have a good understanding of what's going on in Europe or other parts of the world.
We have this glorious thing called "the internet" that allows me to read and watch things from pretty much any country in the world.
Dutch Wrote: Your last para says it all; this country has an enormous inferiority complex, because we've not won any war since WWII as well we are scared of our own shadow. Ask Connie what she thinks.
Nothing against Connie, but I don't really care what she thinks.
You talk about "this country" like we are 300 million people who share the same exact opinions. My opinion is that you believe every single bad thing that happens in this world is Americas fault. And I said that I can only imagine what you will say when/if there is a financial crisis if the EU breaks apart entirely.
I then suggested that you ask yourself if things in this world would be better or worse if the Axis powers won WWII. Instead of answering the question, you accused me of having an inferiority complex.
Dutch Wrote: Sorry there are large movements right now which want to leave the EU. The main reason is all the cultural differences as well industrial one's. The best EU block would be just North Europe ( France, Germany, Belgium, The Netherlands as well some Scandinavian countries. The southern countries are way too much burden for the EU because they don't contribute neither will an Ukraine membership the people voted "no" to that, but the Us is pushing that just to "needle" the Russians.. Britain always has been a bad fit, as I explained. The point you don't understand is, that the US is only interested to push their weapon systems down the throat of Europe, while Europe has got their own industry with better products for that region, who then loose their business because of us. Don't forget the US is not interested in safety, but only "what can we get out of it" and be able to bully and dictate what we want. Due to the "pacts" then Europe is forced to comply and sit on their knees and has to say "yes" to things they don't want, like an F35 of $400 million a piece which can't be used there (borders are 2 minutes flying away).
Once again--what will you say when/if there is a major financial crisis because the EU breaks apart?
Here are some facts (you know...things that are true): The top five American exports to Europe are Commercial Aircraft ($31.1 billion), Machinery ($29.9 billion), Mineral Fuel (oil) ($25.7 billion), Optic and Medical Instruments ($25.4 billion), and Pharmaceutical Products ($20.1 billion). Do you see weapons systems anywhere in that list???
I encourage you to read Jeffrey Goldberg's Atlantic interview with President Obama. He expressed his frustration with European countries constantly critiquing American military might, but then quietly asking for more and more military aid behind closed doors. He also said he wanted more powerful European countries to chip in more and not continue to have America subsidize each countries military.
Maybe, just maybe, you are wrong when you say that Europeans are "forced" to comply and sit on their knees. Maybe, just maybe, European governments are more than willing to feign outrage against American military might, but sing a different tune when behind closed doors.
Dutch Wrote: Wake up Jared look at it from a different perspective than an inbred Oregon person. You've no idea, of what is going on there. I like to add the refugee problem as well and the open border problem. Just because the EU (NATO) is because of "pacts" helping the US against ISIS; Europe has a problem with terrorists, because of that as well. Thanks America.
I'm wide awake Dutch. For starters, I've only lived in Oregon for four years. I'd hardly call that inbred. And, as I explained earlier in this post, my fiance is an Irish citizen.
The refugee "problem" is a lot more complicated than blaming America for it. You can blame Bashar al-Assad for slaughtering hundreds of thousands of his own people and you can blame global climate change for causing the worst drought that Syria has ever seen which eventually sparked the uprising, but you can't really blame America since we avoided that conflict like the plague until very recently.
I'm sure you will retort with blaming America for Iraq, which borders Syria, but that's a red herring. You would blame America for the Syrian conflict whether we ever invaded Iraq or not because you blame America for everything that's wrong in this world.
The EU and NATO are two entirely different entities. You understand that, right??