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Bernie Sanders blasts the George Clooney Fund Raiser for Hillary

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  • Schmidt
    2016-04-17 03:31:48 PM
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    On Friday, George Clooney held a fund raiser for Hillary Clinton with "obscene amounts of money" such as $353,400 a couple to be a “co-chair” of the event. Of course, this event was blasted by Sanders and his supporters as another example of big money buying elections. On Meet the Press, Clooney agreed that the sums were indeed obscene, but here's the rest of the story that the media failed to mention.

    Most all the money being raised for Clinton, according to Clooney, will "actually go to down-ticket Democrats running for Congress. If a Democratic president could get the right justice appointed to the supreme court, he argued, then the US could again begin to separate money from politics."

    “We need to take the Senate back because we need to confirm a supreme court justice, because that fifth vote on the supreme court can overturn Citizens United and get this obscene, ridiculous amount of money out so I never have to do a fundraiser again.”

    “I think Citizens United is one of the worst laws passed since I’ve been around.”

    Clooney also pointed out in the interview, that the Koch brothers have committed to spending hundreds of millions of dollars on Congressional, state and local elections, and that without big fund raisers such as his with Hillary as the guest, then the Koch brothers will have their way largely unopposed.

    This is another example of what Hillary is doing to help the Democratic Party win back the House and Senate. Bernie and the Bernie supporters call it obscene: "It is obscene that Secretary Clinton keeps going to big money people to fund her campaign," Sanders said to CNN.

    Okay, Bernie, yes we all agree that the sums of money are obscene. But Hillary is stepping up to the plate to help raise this money for Democrats to retake back Congress. When you are up against the Koch money machine, it's not going to happen at $15 to $ 50 a head that Sanders charges. Sanders should thank Hillary if he wins the nomination and Democrats also retake the Senate because of the Clooney/Hillary fund raising.

  • pr
    2016-04-17 03:40:48 PM
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    She is a true patriot! I don't know how the Dems got along without her help all these years. ;(
  • Schmidt
    2016-04-17 03:49:30 PM
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    Did I sense a touch of sarcasm in your writing? She didn't have to do this, and neither does Bernie. However, I think that is one of the differences between the two. Hillary really cares about the party and electing members to the Senate that will be supportive of her agenda if she is elected president. Bernie is too ideologically driven than to dirty his campaign by participating in such a fund raiser. It does not pass his purity test.
  • Dutch
    2016-04-17 04:54:55 PM
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    Schmidt Wrote: Did I sense a touch of sarcasm in your writing? She didn't have to do this, and neither does Bernie. However, I think that is one of the differences between the two. Hillary really cares about the party and electing members to the Senate that will be supportive of her agenda if she is elected president. Bernie is too ideologically driven than to dirty his campaign by participating in such a fund raiser. It does not pass his purity test.

    Schmidt, you disappoint me. Thus you approve the same practices as the Koch brothers to fight them. That is exactly what is the problem here; money rules, not "brains" or common sense. That is why this country will go down the tubes, because you support only " the money circuit" to get it your way. Sorry Clinton is as crooked as any GOP candidate.

    Take an example as they do in Europe; "no money games" in elections.

  • Dutch
    2016-04-17 05:01:07 PM
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    pr Wrote: She is a true patriot! I don't know how the Dems got along without her help all these years. ;(
    P.R. I'm getting a bit mad; you are absolutely correct; sorry "she' (and Bill) are not any better than the Koch brothers; buy your way in; of course as Schmidt says this will help the party, but it is as crooked as the GOP to do so. Like Bernie says get immediately election reform and take the "money" out of it as well introduce term limits
  • Schmidt
    2016-04-18 08:50:13 AM
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    Dutch -- You need a reality check. The Republicans are playing the big money game. If Democrats do not play that game they lose. Of course, Bernie is the exception, but Bernie is not raising money for other Democrats (except perhaps three that pass his purity test).

    If Democrats would suddenly say, no more SuperPacs, no more donations from corporations or bankers, no more donations that exceed $100, and blah blah, blah...they would lose big time all over America. Republicans would control everything. Money talks and there are very few candidates that can do what Bernie has done in promising a political revolution.

    You show me a candidate (other than Bernie) that doesn't solicit money through Pacs and SuperPacs and corporations, and I'll bet that candidate is either sitting in a gerrymandered district with no opposition or is a loser.

    As much as you hate playing that game, it is the rules of the game now. Play by your own sense of moralistic self righteous rules and you f**kin lose. Get real.

  • Dutch
    2016-04-18 10:27:01 AM
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Dutch -- You need a reality check. The Republicans are playing the big money game. If Democrats do not play that game they lose. Of course, Bernie is the exception, but Bernie is not raising money for other Democrats (except perhaps three that pass his purity test).

    If Democrats would suddenly say, no more SuperPacs, no more donations from corporations or bankers, no more donations that exceed $100, and blah blah, blah...they would lose big time all over America. Republicans would control everything. Money talks and there are very few candidates that can do what Bernie has done in promising a political revolution.

    You show me a candidate (other than Bernie) that doesn't solicit money through Pacs and SuperPacs and corporations, and I'll bet that candidate is either sitting in a gerrymandered district with no opposition or is a loser.

    As much as you hate playing that game, it is the rules of the game now. Play by your own sense of moralistic self righteous rules and you f**kin lose. Get real.

    Sure Schmidt, you got it right. But that is exactly what is wrong with this country. In other words everything is "bought" here; a never ending corruption is the result. Why can other countries elect people and government with hardly any money involvement. How about elections based on "brains" and "intellect"? That is the reason we "muddle" along; ask Obama who tried, but got few results, who's also fed up with the "system" and its games.
  • jaredsxtn
    2016-04-18 02:56:51 PM
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    I couldn't agree with more more, Schmidt.

    Secretary Clinton understands that the President is not a king and can't just waive a magic wand to get whatever they want. Democrats have to meet fire with fire. There is no way we're going to overturn Citizens United if we don't get a fifth justice on the Supreme Court that will vote to overturn it. We get that justice by electing a Democrat to the Presidency and retake the Senate.

    Senator Sanders has not explained his down ballot strategy. One Democratic Senator has endorsed him compared to 40 for Secretary Clinton. How would a President Sanders be able to enact his agenda if members of the party he caucuses with aren't on board with his agenda? No Sanders supporter has been able to explain that to me.

    Bernie Sanders populist message resonates with me, but I also understand how this government operates. If he doesn't have people who are willing to write the bills needed to enact his agenda then how in the world would he ever be able to make good on any of his promises?

    It's civics 101--the Legislature writes bills; the Executive signs or vetoes them into law; the Courts decide if the laws are Constitutional. No President can get any part of their agenda passed if they don't have a Congress that backs them up.

  • jaredsxtn
    2016-04-18 03:13:20 PM
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    pr Wrote: She is a true patriot! I don't know how the Dems got along without her help all these years. ;(

    If someone who serves in public office for the vast majority of their lives isn't a patriot then I don't know who is.

    The Democrats didn't get along without her help all these years. She was a two term Senator who served on three powerful committees and was then traveled the world representing the United States as its top diplomat. So I think it's very hard to say that we'd be in a better place as a party or country without Hillary Clinton ever being in public service.

  • pr
    2016-04-18 03:19:27 PM
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    Give us one reason why Bernie should support any of these down candidates? They all suck! None of them are supporting him they are all Hillary robots and drones.

    The only true Democrat running is Bernie the rest are Republican lite (better than Republicans, true but still terrible candidates).

    Dutch is 100% correct - take your rose colored Hillary glasses off and at face reality. We have all said we will vote for her if she is the candidate, as bad as she is, what more do you expect - shall we prostate ourselves at her feet (as Schmidt has done) and thank the Lord for delivering her to us?

  • Schmidt
    2016-04-18 03:28:47 PM
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    The topic is Hillary raising money for the Democrats so that we can at the least take back the Senate in 2016. Without a supporting Congress, the President will be "lame duck" from Day 1 of his/her presidency.

    So you don't like any of the Democrats running for Congress...they all suck? Okay fair enough. Let the Republicans control both houses for another four years because we just cannot support any of the Dems. They all suck.

    Sheesh! You guys need to get off your high horse.

  • jaredsxtn
    2016-04-18 03:30:45 PM
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    pr Wrote: Give us one reason why Bernie should support any of these down candidates? They all suck! None of them are supporting him they are all Hillary robots and drones.

    It has nothing to do with who Bernie supports because that's not how this country works. If those robots and drones aren't elected then the Democrats will lose any chance to win the Senate or make inroads in the House. A President Sanders without a super majority of Democrats in the Senate and a majority in the House will be as worthless as a three dollar bill.

    pr Wrote: The only true Democrat running is Bernie the rest are Republican lite (better than Republicans, true but still terrible candidates).

    There's no such thing as a "true" Democrat. We are not a monolith like the Republican Party.

    A Democrat running in a swing state like Pennsylvania or Ohio has little to zero chance of getting elected if they are running on a socialist platform. That's just a fact. Swing states win national elections; not the deep blue states.

    If you want to move to a state that has an awesome progressive agenda then move out to the glorious Pacific Northwest, but you're lying to yourself if you think that model could be implemented nationwide. At least not at this point in history.

    Maybe he will move out to Oregon or Washington if he isn't the nominee this year. Both states would elect him to governor in a heart beat.

    pr Wrote: Dutch is 100% correct - take your rose colored Hillary glasses off and at face reality. We have all said we will vote for her if she is the candidate, as bad as she is, what more do you expect - shall we prostate ourselves at her feet (as Schmidt has done) and thank the Lord for delivering her to us?

    I think Schmidt (and hopefully I) have tried to explain how politics works in this country. As a die hard progressive, I love Senator Sanders positions; as someone who understands the political realities in a country of over 300 million people, I don't see how he would ever be able to make good on any of his promises.

  • pr
    2016-04-18 03:34:22 PM
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    We all understand how it works, believe me. It doesn't work by sitting back and waiting for change. I graduated from college in 1965 - I know how change works and what it takes and believe me, Hillary is never going to change anything at all!

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  • jaredsxtn
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    pr Wrote: We all understand how it works, believe me. It doesn't work by sitting back and waiting for change. I graduated from college in 1965 - believe me I know how change works and what it takes and believe me, Hillary is never going to change anything at all!
    Then you should understand that the President falls under Article II of the Constitution. They are not a king and can not promise things they know they will never be able to deliver on.
  • pr
    2016-04-18 03:45:29 PM
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    You don't really think any of Bernie's supporters expect him to be able to do anymore than Obama was able to do, do you? It's not about what he can or cannot do (other than fill the Supreme Court with good people) it's all about the appearance of change and getting people to expect and demand it. The only thing we will get with Hillary is more of the same old cronyism we've had for decades.

    Bernie doesn't has a chance in hell of winning the nomination anyhow, it's all rigged for the establishment, we all know that. Bernie can and has played a major roll in exposing Hillary and all the other faux, Neo-Dems for what the really are and really stand for and that alone is well worth supporting him. Without Bernie pushing Hillary to the Left it would be difficult to tell her apart from the Conservatives. Of course, once she is elected, she will all of a sudden go right back to her old ways, people be damned, but at least Bernie has started a spark that, hopefully, will begin a forest fire.

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