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Don't Let Your Perfect be the Enemy of the Good

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    To my uncompromising Bernie Sanders supporters--please take deep breath. I love Bernie. I'll be voting for him in the Oregon Democratic primary next month and will vote for him if he is the Democratic candidate for President. But I beg of you...please, pretty please, don't stay home in November if Secretary Clinton is the nominee.

    Primary season brings out a lot of emotions in a people, but the Democratic Party fracturing because your preferred candidate doesn't win the nomination would not just be a travesty for the country, but perhaps the entire world.

    Can you honestly say you'd rather Donald Trump or Ted Cruz have their hands on the nuclear codes over Secretary Clinton? Can you honestly say you'd rather Donald Trump or Ted Cruz be responsible for the future of the Supreme Court over Secretary Clinton? If you answered yes to either of those questions then don't complain when nuclear war breaks out or when Charles and David Koch replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg and former Justice Scalia on the Supreme Court.

    That's how important this election is. Please, I beg of you die hard Bernie supporters, don't let your perfect be the enemy of the good.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    To my uncompromising Bernie Sanders supporters--please take deep breath. I love Bernie. I'll be voting for him in the Oregon Democratic primary next month and will vote for him if he is the Democratic candidate for President. But I beg of you...please, pretty please, don't stay home in November if Secretary Clinton is the nominee.

    Primary season brings out a lot of emotions in a people, but the Democratic Party fracturing because your preferred candidate doesn't win the nomination would not just be a travesty for the country, but perhaps the entire world.

    Can you honestly say you'd rather Donald Trump or Ted Cruz have their hands on the nuclear codes over Secretary Clinton? Can you honestly say you'd rather Donald Trump or Ted Cruz be responsible for the future of the Supreme Court over Secretary Clinton? If you answered yes to either of those questions then don't complain when nuclear war breaks out or when Charles and David Koch replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg and former Justice Scalia on the Supreme Court.

    That's how important this election is. Please, I beg of you die hard Bernie supporters, don't let your perfect be the enemy of the good.

    Complacency while a certain element is ignored. The trouble is the result of complacency is abuse. To drive the point home I just heard Sally Field on Tavis Smiley say that while she understands and respects everything Bernie says and stands for she says Hillary will be a brilliant leader. The culminated we do the best we can position.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    To my uncompromising Bernie Sanders supporters--please take deep breath. I love Bernie. I'll be voting for him in the Oregon Democratic primary next month and will vote for him if he is the Democratic candidate for President. But I beg of you...please, pretty please, don't stay home in November if Secretary Clinton is the nominee.

    Primary season brings out a lot of emotions in a people, but the Democratic Party fracturing because your preferred candidate doesn't win the nomination would not just be a travesty for the country, but perhaps the entire world.

    Can you honestly say you'd rather Donald Trump or Ted Cruz have their hands on the nuclear codes over Secretary Clinton? Can you honestly say you'd rather Donald Trump or Ted Cruz be responsible for the future of the Supreme Court over Secretary Clinton? If you answered yes to either of those questions then don't complain when nuclear war breaks out or when Charles and David Koch replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg and former Justice Scalia on the Supreme Court.

    That's how important this election is. Please, I beg of you die hard Bernie supporters, don't let your perfect be the enemy of the good.

    jaredsxtn, You said :"don't let your perfect be the enemy of the good". Explain what you mean by that.
  • Liberal
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    It's pretty self explanatory I think. But it's just another way to say don't throw the baby out just because it shit in its diaper, or if Hillary gets the nod, vote for her no matter how difficult it may be.

    Good advice considering the alternatives!

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    pr Wrote:

    It's pretty self explanatory I think. But it's just another way to say don't throw the baby out just because it shit in its diaper, or if Hillary gets the nod, vote for her no matter how difficult it may be.

    Good advice considering the alternatives!

    So it seems impossible in this country to get smart, honest, common sense leaders, because of our ridiculous election system. Thus we have to be satisfied with some arrogant, naïve, self centered ego tripper who loves to remove dictators without looking at the consequences as well closes her eyes for what Israel is bombing. But yeah, Goldman Sachs loves her, so that is what we want; another the same "old"........... "weasel" government. But as the saying says; the "leader" is an reflection of the country itself; so forget the "flag" waving.
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    Even though I think Hillary will govern as a center-rightist on economic issues and foreign policy issues she is still light years superior to anything that the Republican Party is heaving out there. Thus the perfect scenario from just the viewpoint of the presidency is Bernie but the good is Hillary. Either one will have issues with congress unless we take back the senate at least.
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    pr Wrote:

    It's pretty self explanatory I think. But it's just another way to say don't throw the baby out just because it shit in its diaper, or if Hillary gets the nod, vote for her no matter how difficult it may be.

    Good advice considering the alternatives!

    I'll probably vote for Hillary, but if I do it will be a black mark on my conscience that I don't know can be rectified. Chances are there will be a severe market correction that if Hillary is elected will have no mitigating actions. Her actions will be to preserve the status of organizations. Continuing on incrementally preserving the status quo in detriment to responsive monetary actions to fortify the economy. The lower classes shifted further into poverty. If Trump or Cruz is elected there will be the same correction but with celebratory results establishing the correction as proper and the right of controlling money to rule the market. Contrasting an apology. The lower classes shifted even furthet into poverty with safety nets attacked as subsidizing poverty. So what is the difference between Hillary or the right? Hillary will continue with supporting apologists professing success. Trump/Cruz will react with right wing policies materializing as draconian to even their brainwashed supporters. Maybe enough to execute an overwhelming revolt to claim the country back for the people. Hillary is not progress. So is it worth it to take a chance for real change?
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    pr Wrote:

    It's pretty self explanatory I think. But it's just another way to say don't throw the baby out just because it shit in its diaper, or if Hillary gets the nod, vote for her no matter how difficult it may be.

    Good advice considering the alternatives!

    I'll probably vote for Hillary, but if I do it will be a black mark on my conscience that I don't know can be rectified. Chances are there will be a severe market correction that if Hillary is elected will have no mitigating actions. Her actions will be to preserve the status of organizations. Continuing on incrementally preserving the status quo in detriment to responsive monetary actions to fortify the economy. The lower classes shifted further into poverty. If Trump or Cruz is elected there will be the same correction but with celebratory results establishing the correction as proper and the right of controlling money to rule the market. Contrasting an apology. The lower classes shifted even furthet into poverty with safety nets attacked as subsidizing poverty. So what is the difference between Hillary or the right? Hillary will continue with supporting apologists professing success. Trump/Cruz will react with right wing policies materializing as draconian to even their brainwashed supporters. Maybe enough to execute an overwhelming revolt to claim the country back for the people. Hillary is not progress. So is it worth it to take a chance for real change?
    Chet, you are right; however as history has shown,that all "number one" countries fall by the wayside eventually. Right now the signs are there that this is going to happen for sure, looking at everything right now. History books tell the tale.
  • Liberal
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    Here is a link to a very interesting commentary by Steven Kinzer that appeared in todays Boston Globe.

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/04/13/kinzer/XeJ2NT95HjCognsM4hfwSM/story.html?s_campaign=8315

    He makes some very good points about what these candidates (Trumpy, in particular) say and what they mean and how their supporters have no real idea of whom or what they are actually supporting. As much as I dislike Trumpy, he is not a real Republican, either, anymore than Hillary is. The only real, traditional Democrat today is Bernie, Hillary is simply a neo-liberal Republican lite (as are most so called Democrats running for office today). Hillary and her supporters feel they are "good" people just as Cruz and Kasich do I'm sure, but scratch the surface and they care about themselves and their power and wealth first, the average citizen last. We are something to enable them and be thrown a few scraps as a treat for our support. Trump, on the other hand, couldn't care less about the Republican or Democrats. He s only interested in his own narcissism and looking good and being worshiped by the fools that support him. In real life he would run them over in the street if they were in his way and they are too dumb to even understand that.

    The whole point of this commentary is to expose the shallowness and ignorance of both political parties and their fervent supporters. This is why I refuse to consider or call myself a Democrat (although I believe in their expressed basic ideals and vote for them). When the Democrats embrace their original values and stop being Republican Lites I will once again consider calling myself one of them but I don't think that is going to happen soon. Democrats (typically) don't even recognize the fact that Bernie is the only true democrat and the rest are only imposters - slightly better than the avowed Republicans, but that's all and not a very high bar to cross. Republican, for the most part, actually believe their party wants to make their lives better rather than face the truth they are nothing more than misinformed, fear-ridden closet bigots.

    Ain't politics grand (and uplifting)!

  • Independent
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    P.R. excellent story; I'm of the same opinion. Sorry the Democrats are as you said no longer real Democrats, especially the people in the background like that Wasserman-Schultz woman who is as arrogant as Hillary. That is also the reason I'm an independent. Sometimes I think I should vote for Trump, because then this country really goes down the drain a bit faster, so then things don't drag on forever, as with a Hillary president thing, but ending the same; thus in the sewer a bit later.
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    I'll add my posting again; it shows exactly what Hillary is as P.R. posted.

    The latest: The Clintons are in L.A. for fundraising together with Clooney; the cost per attendance is $33,000; one person already paid around $300,000, so I guess she's part of the "rich" one's who "buy" elections; Bernie has it right, that election reform is a priority.The Clintons are as bad as any of the GOP candidates. "money", money.

    Bernie at least is a real Democrat.

    News: The Panama papers also includes the Clintons; that says enough.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Read my other post. Much of the money that Hillary is raising is meant to support Democrats for the Senate. It doesn't matter who wins the presidency if you don't have a supportive Congress. Hillary supports the party. Bernie so far is stingy with his time and money in that regard probably because he doesn't like many of his "fellow Democrats" or at least what they stand for or how they raise money for themselves. No pure Democrat, according to Sanders, should have a SuperPac or take money from corporations, banks, or lobbyists...or have voted for the Iraq war.
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    Schmidt Wrote: Read my other post. Much of the money that Hillary is raising is meant to support Democrats for the Senate. It doesn't matter who wins the presidency if you don't have a supportive Congress. Hillary supports the party. Bernie so far is stingy with his time and money in that regard probably because he doesn't like many of his "fellow Democrats" or at least what they stand for or how they raise money for themselves. No pure Democrat, according to Sanders, should have a SuperPac or take money from corporations, banks, or lobbyists...or have voted for the Iraq war.
    Trump has called her a "crooked" person; I think he's not far off.
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    Dutch Wrote: News: The Panama papers also includes the Clintons; that says enough.

    Ugh. Read more than flashy headlines please.

    The Panama papers do not include the Clinton's; the Panama papers include people the Clinton's are friends with. That's akin to blaming the aunt of an armed robber for his criminal activity.

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    Schmidt Wrote: Read my other post. Much of the money that Hillary is raising is meant to support Democrats for the Senate. It doesn't matter who wins the presidency if you don't have a supportive Congress. Hillary supports the party. Bernie so far is stingy with his time and money in that regard probably because he doesn't like many of his "fellow Democrats" or at least what they stand for or how they raise money for themselves. No pure Democrat, according to Sanders, should have a SuperPac or take money from corporations, banks, or lobbyists...or have voted for the Iraq war.
    Schmidt, in "civilized" countries, you don't raise "money" for political parties. Such institutions should rely on their members who have a membership, which has membership fees, just like a subscription on a magazine. Thus raising "money" to "buy" your way into something, is as bad as the Koch brothers do. Bernie has no money to spare to do such.