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Judging the debate.

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  • Chet Ruminski
    2016-04-15 06:01:33 AM
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    Interesting to think that Bernie and Hillary will be judged by their debate performance when one person represents the rights of individuals while the other has no concern for individuals. Especially noteworthy of the selfish attitude was Hillary lamenting some unfortunate results of the crime bill. Those unfortunate results were human suffering. Human suffering is criminal. That is how the debate should be judged.
  • pr
    2016-04-15 06:23:05 AM
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    But don't forget how exceptional Americans are! Hillary and the Repubs know what's best for us, just listen to them.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2016-04-15 07:18:11 AM
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    pr Wrote: But don't forget how exceptional Americans are! Hillary and the Repubs know what's best for us, just listen to them.
    The Republicans have been successful in teaching low incomes that they are millionaires with a cash flow problem.
  • Dutch
    2016-04-15 08:54:34 AM
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    pr Wrote: But don't forget how exceptional Americans are! Hillary and the Repubs know what's best for us, just listen to them.
    The Republicans have been successful in teaching low incomes that they are millionaires with a cash flow problem.
    I saw most of the debate; it convinced me more and more that the "bitch" does not belong in the White House. She really showed her "high horse" arrogant character "I've done this and that and was there; I got rid of Ghadafi and made no mistakes" etc. What an horrible woman.
  • pr
    2016-04-15 09:51:00 AM
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    Didn't Elton John sing a song about her?

    i have to agree 100% it is a sad time when we are forced to choose between any of these candidates (other than Bernie) they all suck!

  • Dutch
    2016-04-15 10:00:05 AM
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    pr Wrote:

    Didn't Elton John sing a song about her?

    i have to agree 100% it is a sad time when we are forced to choose between any of these candidates (other than Bernie) they all suck!

    The woman is not only arrogant, but also naïve and dumb. For instance Bernie said why get rid of dictators, while you do not look at consequences after anyone like that is removed by us. She did not even answer that, and found it OK that Israel bombed Gaza to rubble , also with no solution what to do afterwards; as well in Libya. Iraq, Syria. etc. She just continues to follow our "loosing" international policies and did not even think about what Bernie said.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2016-04-15 10:09:13 AM
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    She lectured Bernie about the wisdom of incrementalism. Take little steps improving the status quo. This overlooks the big problems that lead to Bernie and Trump. The rationale is to have the resources to isolate yourself from the ugly. Burying the head in the sand is an analogy for incrementalism. Labor Unions were successful because there was no least member. Everybody was treated equally. Companies attempted union busting by offering quick easy settlements that benefited a few. This was rejected by Unionism who stood out for equal treatment of each brother and sister. "Jim Russel" told me: " If we hold out for equal treatment and all we get is a can of beans, then we open the can and give each member an equal share". The only result of incrementalism is resume building.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2016-04-15 10:18:37 AM
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    The bombing of the "King David" hotel was a result of overaction going wrong. Not being two faced I have to admit to a lot of Unionism going to extremes.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2016-04-15 10:22:02 AM
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    King David Hotel link

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hote...

  • jaredsxtn
    2016-04-15 06:34:40 PM
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Interesting to think that Bernie and Hillary will be judged by their debate performance when one person represents the rights of individuals while the other has no concern for individuals. Especially noteworthy of the selfish attitude was Hillary lamenting some unfortunate results of the crime bill. Those unfortunate results were human suffering. Human suffering is criminal. That is how the debate should be judged.

    This is absurd.

    Do you honestly believe that Secretary Clinton has no concern for the American people and doesn't care about human suffering?

    Was the 1994 crime bill a travesty? Absolutely. It has affected millions of Americans lives. Blaming Secretary Clinton, who had literally zero responsibility for that law and its unintended consequences, is just lunacy. Do you blame Laura Bush for the invasion of Iraq? Or do you blame Lady Bird Johnson for the escalation of the Vietnam War?

    When did people start blaming the spouses of politicians for things they had absolutely nothing to do with?

  • Dutch
    2016-04-16 08:52:30 AM
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Interesting to think that Bernie and Hillary will be judged by their debate performance when one person represents the rights of individuals while the other has no concern for individuals. Especially noteworthy of the selfish attitude was Hillary lamenting some unfortunate results of the crime bill. Those unfortunate results were human suffering. Human suffering is criminal. That is how the debate should be judged.

    This is absurd.

    Do you honestly believe that Secretary Clinton has no concern for the American people and doesn't care about human suffering?

    Was the 1994 crime bill a travesty? Absolutely. It has affected millions of Americans lives. Blaming Secretary Clinton, who had literally zero responsibility for that law and its unintended consequences, is just lunacy. Do you blame Laura Bush for the invasion of Iraq? Or do you blame Lady Bird Johnson for the escalation of the Vietnam War?

    When did people start blaming the spouses of politicians for things they had absolutely nothing to do with?

    Jared, look at the present situation; don't you think once Hillary gets into the White House, that then "Bill" will move to a small apartment in Hoboken? I bet he will be in the background and act if he's in charge again. So in this case it is not the spouse but the reverse situation with the same effect.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2016-04-16 09:30:31 AM
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Interesting to think that Bernie and Hillary will be judged by their debate performance when one person represents the rights of individuals while the other has no concern for individuals. Especially noteworthy of the selfish attitude was Hillary lamenting some unfortunate results of the crime bill. Those unfortunate results were human suffering. Human suffering is criminal. That is how the debate should be judged.

    This is absurd.

    Do you honestly believe that Secretary Clinton has no concern for the American people and doesn't care about human suffering?

    Was the 1994 crime bill a travesty? Absolutely. It has affected millions of Americans lives. Blaming Secretary Clinton, who had literally zero responsibility for that law and its unintended consequences, is just lunacy. Do you blame Laura Bush for the invasion of Iraq? Or do you blame Lady Bird Johnson for the escalation of the Vietnam War?

    When did people start blaming the spouses of politicians for things they had absolutely nothing to do with?

    jaredsxtn, It is well documented that Hillary campaigned heavily for the crime bill. This absolving Hillary from Bill's actions is the first time I have seen unsupported deniability from you. The Bill and Hillary team has long been recognized. The private conversations that took place between them is probably worth more as a marketable commodity than the Clinton Foundation. They are a team, not coincidental roommates. Colluding conspiratorial complementing couple.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2016-04-16 09:33:56 AM
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    3 days ago - Back in the 1990s, crime was to Bill Clinton as illegal ... Jefferson Clinton instigated the bill; Hillary Clinton lobbied for it; .... Burden of Mass Incarceration Falls Heavily on Families ...
  • Chet Ruminski
    2016-04-16 09:35:46 AM
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  • Dutch
    2016-04-16 01:25:01 PM
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    The latest: The Clintons are in L.A. for fundraising together with Clooney; the cost per attendance is $33,000; one person already paid around $300,000, so I guess she's part of the "rich" one's who "buy" elections; Bernie has it right, that election reform is a priority.The Clintons are as bad as any of the GOP candidates. "money", money.

    Bernie at least is a real Democrat.

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