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The Unsinkable Bernie Sanders

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    For decades the Republican Party has spent millions trying to defeat Bernie Sanders when he runs for public office in Vermont.

    Vermonters like Bernie no matter what party they belong to because they know Bernie is an honest, good public servant who cares and has compassion for all the people he represents.

    And to all those voters who like endless religious wars of aggression costing trillions, who like American arms dealers selling weapons all over the planet, who like bombing countries into oblivion and who like being pals with those Robber Barons/Global Corporations who are destroying this planet and legitimate governments than Hillary is the gal for you.

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    Connie Wrote: For decades the Republican Party has spent millions trying to defeat Bernie Sanders when he runs for public office in Vermont.

    I can't find a single piece of information backing this claim up. Why would Republicans waste money on a safe liberal seat in Vermont? They would literally be throwing money away no matter who the Republican candidate is.

    Connie Wrote: Vermonters like Bernie no matter what party they belong to because they know Bernie is an honest, good public servant who cares and has compassion for all the people he represents.

    That's why they continue to vote for him.

    Connie Wrote: And to all those voters who like endless religious wars of aggression costing trillions, who like American arms dealers selling weapons all over the planet, who like bombing countries into oblivion and who like being pals with those Robber Barons/Global Corporations who are destroying this planet and legitimate governments than Hillary is the gal for you.

    This seems just a wee bit extreme.

    Don't get me wrong--I love Bernie, but I would vote for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump or Ted Cruz any day of the week.

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    Connie, right on; forget Jared; he's a Hillary fan; loves pantsuits!! Ha ha.
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    Dutch Wrote: Connie, right on; forget Jared; he's a Hillary fan; loves pantsuits!! Ha ha.

    I'll be voting for Bernie in the Oregon primary, but if Hillary is the nominee then I won't be stupid enough to sit at home and wind up allowing Ted Cruz or Donald Trump to be our next President.

    I love Bernie, but any Democrat who sits at home in November because they are upset he's not the nominee will have zero right to bitch about anything that happens once one of those two lunatics takes office.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Connie, right on; forget Jared; he's a Hillary fan; loves pantsuits!! Ha ha.

    I'll be voting for Bernie in the Oregon primary, but if Hillary is the nominee then I won't be stupid enough to sit at home and wind up allowing Ted Cruz or Donald Trump to be our next President.

    I love Bernie, but any Democrat who sits at home in November because they are upset he's not the nominee will have zero right to bitch about anything that happens once one of those two lunatics takes office.

    Sure, Jared I think the same. But as I said before the "delegate" issue may bite us in the butt. You think everything is honest, forget it; lots of games are being played over the "voters" backs.

    Right now everyone is screaming about the "delegate" and "super delegates" so I was not wrong about it.

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    I am not going to completely write off Bernie no matter how the Primary comes out. With a Clinton/Trump contest, there is no telling how disillusioned voters would be with both of them by the time the election comes around. I wouldn't rule out participating in a write in campaign if I felt it had enough momentum. Ask me closer to the election whether I will vote for HRC, but it certainly would not be an enthusiastic vote. It would be more of a well she's not Donald Trump or Ted Cruz vote. I can only see a Clinton Presidency as giving us the same big money political corruption and more empowerment for the rich.
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    FreedomFighter Wrote: I am not going to completely write off Bernie no matter how the Primary comes out. With a Clinton/Trump contest, there is no telling how disillusioned voters would be with both of them by the time the election comes around. I wouldn't rule out participating in a write in campaign if I felt it had enough momentum. Ask me closer to the election whether I will vote for HRC, but it certainly would not be an enthusiastic vote. It would be more of a well she's not Donald Trump or Ted Cruz vote. I can only see a Clinton Presidency as giving us the same big money political corruption and more empowerment for the rich.

    Bernie has energized a movement. There is a growing volatility approaching critical pressure. The millions of college students saddled with trillions of dollars of college debt with educations that can't earn them the living to pay it off. I bellive they will become the Democratic Party or another party that is needed.

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    FreedomFighter Wrote: I am not going to completely write off Bernie no matter how the Primary comes out. With a Clinton/Trump contest, there is no telling how disillusioned voters would be with both of them by the time the election comes around. I wouldn't rule out participating in a write in campaign if I felt it had enough momentum. Ask me closer to the election whether I will vote for HRC, but it certainly would not be an enthusiastic vote. It would be more of a well she's not Donald Trump or Ted Cruz vote. I can only see a Clinton Presidency as giving us the same big money political corruption and more empowerment for the rich.
    F.F. absolutely correct; I look at it the same way
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    AlmoDutch Wrote:
    FreedomFighter Wrote: I am not going to completely write off Bernie no matter how the Primary comes out. With a Clinton/Trump contest, there is no telling how disillusioned voters would be with both of them by the time the election comes around. I wouldn't rule out participating in a write in campaign if I felt it had enough momentum. Ask me closer to the election whether I will vote for HRC, but it certainly would not be an enthusiastic vote. It would be more of a well she's not Donald Trump or Ted Cruz vote. I can only see a Clinton Presidency as giving us the same big money political corruption and more empowerment for the rich.
    F.F. absolutely correct; I look at it the same way
    Still can't understand how Hillary deflects so many disqualifiers. I guess a society cannot exist without breaking rules so people get used to it. The ripoff stock market is bad enough but indebting college students is a social crime that will hurt everybody. The people owning the 1.2 trillion dollar debt won't give it up easily.
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    FreedomFighter Wrote: I am not going to completely write off Bernie no matter how the Primary comes out. With a Clinton/Trump contest, there is no telling how disillusioned voters would be with both of them by the time the election comes around. I wouldn't rule out participating in a write in campaign if I felt it had enough momentum.

    A write in campaign sounds great in theory, but in reality it's just a bunch of hot air.

    Seven states don't even allow voters to write in a candidates name and the vast majority of the states that do require that the candidate register with the state. Only Vermont, Wyoming, Oregon, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Iowa, Delaware, and Alabama do not require any type of registration by a write in candidate.

    It would be nearly impossible for any write in or third party candidate to ever be elected as President. It's never happened in our nations history and it isn't going to happen in 2016.

    FreedomFighter Wrote: Ask me closer to the election whether I will vote for HRC, but it certainly would not be an enthusiastic vote. It would be more of a well she's not Donald Trump or Ted Cruz vote.

    If you can't answer that question right now then don't get upset when Donald Trump ruins our economy and starts World War III.

    FreedomFighter Wrote: I can only see a Clinton Presidency as giving us the same big money political corruption and more empowerment for the rich.

    World Audit, the premiere organization that ranks political corruption throughout the world, lists the United States as the 14th least corrupt country in the world. Countries with a population a fraction of our size make up the 13 lesser corrupt countries.

    Where does China come in? Number 72. Russia? Number 105. I can go on and on, but suggesting that we are just some wildly corrupt country just isn't true.

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    I believe in Bernie, he has been such an extraordinary man all his life, & has experience in so many levels of government. He is a truth talker, no pretense, level-headed optimist. We would all love to have him as a relative, a neighbor, or a friend. So I cannot help it --- I am a confirmed Bernie fan.

    We have 2 of the very best candidates in the world today -- & they are both Democrats. Rejoice! I can feel something in the air -- the kind of feeling that clairvoyants feel, when a "Miracle" is about to happen. (Against all odds).

    So PLEASE go out & VOTE with all your heart & soul. Vote as if the world depends on it. -- Because it does.

    Here is a little inspiration; "If you believe in Miracles " ------ youtu.be/3aGPp3Xt-SY

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    Something the Bernie doubters should think about

    dailykos.com/stories/2016/4/18/1516835/...

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    Excuse me if I am not willing to just jump blindly on a Clinton bandwagon in the event of a Bernie Sanders defeat. I am a victim of the disastrous trade agreements that Clinton advocated. I saw hundreds of cases first hand of Americans losing their jobs to foreign countries. Don't tell me that I should not be for a candidate who accepts donations from the people who brought this country to its knees in 2008. Their big donations bought them immunity from prosecution in the very recent past. And what about the voter fraud that has taken place in Arizona, New York and Washington DC? Should I condemn one party for interfering with voter's rights and condone it being done by the other party? My answer is no, because wrong is wrong. I will definitely not vote for Trump or Cruz, but tell me why I should vote for a candidate that I don't personally see a good reason to support and embracing a party who is currently corrupting our elections? Have we become a country of settlers like those characters portrayed in those stupid commercials? I believe that the Democratic race is going to be contested at the least and that we are not going to sway delegates by going around and preaching that we are willing to settle for HRC, the party darling. Shouldn't we stay strong for the only candidate that has a strong record for being behind the American people, Bernie Sanders?
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    Bloomberg: Despite Polls, Republicans See Sanders as an Easier Opponent

    Prominent Republican operatives believe that Sanders would be an easier opponent than Hillary Clinton in the general election.

    “Republicans are being nice to Bernie Sanders because we like the thought of running against a socialist. But if he were to win the nomination the knives would come out for Bernie pretty quick,” said Ryan Williams, a former spokesman for 2012 GOP nominee Mitt Romney's campaign. “There's no mystery what the attack on him would be. Bernie Sanders is literally a card carrying socialist who honeymooned in the Soviet Union. There'd be hundreds of millions of dollars in Republican ads showing hammers and sickles and Soviet Union flags in front of Bernie Sanders.”

    “Hillary Clinton is a much more centrist candidate in comparison,” Williams said, and she would have a better chance of winning over moderate and undecided voters, despite numerous polls showing that many Americans, even in the Democratic Party, don't view her as honest and trustworthy. “Bernie's numbers are better than hers right now because she's been in the political arena for 30 years getting beat up,” he said.

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    Bernie has not been really vetted. If he was nominated, then Republicans would be absolutely ruthless in running negative ads against him. Of course, they plan to do the same to Hillary, but there is nothing more to uncover on her negatives that hasn't hit headlines again and again.

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    FreedomFighter Wrote: Excuse me if I am not willing to just jump blindly on a Clinton bandwagon in the event of a Bernie Sanders defeat.

    No one is asking you to jump blindly behind anyone. Just don't let your personal animosity towards her to become so personal that we wind up giving a far right lunatic the nuclear codes and the ability to reshape the Supreme Court for the next generation.

    FreedomFighter Wrote: I am a victim of the disastrous trade agreements that Clinton advocated. I saw hundreds of cases first hand of Americans losing their jobs to foreign countries.

    NAFTA was passed by her husband and a Republican Congress; not the First Lady.

    Regardless, NAFTA was not responsible for every single manufacturing job being shipped overseas. Major companies began outsourcing in the mid to late 1970's and have continued to do so ever since. Most manufacturing jobs were already gone by the time Bill Clinton took office in January of 1993.

    This is just a guess, but are you talking about watching people lose their jobs in the timber industry out here in Portland? If that is the case, it's a little more complicated than blaming free trade deals for those job losses. Regulations restricting companies from logging in Federal forests cost far more jobs than any trade deal ever did.

    The state of Oregon also began prioritizing other professions by enticing high tech and other companies to move their headquarters to the state. No single industry can realistically expect to dominate a states economy anymore and Oregon recognized that two decades ago.

    FreedomFighter Wrote: Don't tell me that I should not be for a candidate who accepts donations from the people who brought this country to its knees in 2008. Their big donations bought them immunity from prosecution in the very recent past.

    No one is telling you to vote for Secretary Clinton in the Oregon primary. I'll be voting for Bernie right there with you, but if he doesn't get the nomination then I'm not going to throw a hissy fit and stay home (more so not mail in my ballot) in November.

    FreedomFighter Wrote: And what about the voter fraud that has taken place in Arizona, New York and Washington DC? Should I condemn one party for interfering with voter's rights and condone it being done by the other party? My answer is no, because wrong is wrong.

    New York is voting today, so I'm not sure what you're talking about there. A closed primary is an entirely different thing than voter fraud. Arizona's mess happened because they passed a strict voter id law and closed half of all precincts. That's a shitty thing to do, but it's not fraud. And the D.C. Democratic primary is on June 14th.

    FreedomFighter Wrote: I will definitely not vote for Trump or Cruz, but tell me why I should vote for a candidate that I don't personally see a good reason to support and embracing a party who is currently corrupting our elections? Have we become a country of settlers like those characters portrayed in those stupid commercials? I believe that the Democratic race is going to be contested at the least and that we are not going to sway delegates by going around and preaching that we are willing to settle for HRC, the party darling. Shouldn't we stay strong for the only candidate that has a strong record for being behind the American people, Bernie Sanders?

    You should vote for a candidate that you personally don't want to support because if she is the nominee and elected President then she will nominate District, Appellate, and Supreme Court judges that will have a far more center left to left view of the Constitution than anyone a Republican would nominate.

    The legislative and executive branches are important, but controlling those two without a liberal judicial branch is pretty much worthless.