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Hillary Clinton's proposals, plans and where she stands

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    Oregon already has a college plan in place. It might not be everything that many would like, but about 12,000 of this year's graduation class are enrolling in college. This is limited to community colleges but the requirements are simple and straight forward. Think of the money that these students are saving. This is money that stays in the community. This will also make Oregon more attractive to industry, because it will have a better educated workforce. America is strongest when average Americans are the most financially secure. We pay the most taxes, are the largest body of consumers, and we are the workers. Education is an important key to our strength, so students should not be denied higher education or be saddled with insurmountable debt.
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    Freedom Fighter -- I agree. We focus too much on the "blame game" as jobs are lost. We should be embracing change with a comprehensive program of education reform that includes not only the Pre-K to 12, but also subsidized higher education, technical training, and apprenticeships. Career guidance and financial assistance should be provided for both young people and the older generation whose jobs have been lost due to changing markets, automation, globalization, trade, or whatever reason. All workers lives matter...young and old. The dignity of work should not be politicized.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    This ties Hillary into welfare reform and deregulation Wall Street: "I would guess she was highly influential in some of Bill's decisions. Please don't make it a "man vs woman" issue."
    Schmidt Wrote:

    Hillary Clinton is highly capable. She will be making her own decisions. But certainly the spouses of every president have provided wise counsel to their "other halves" in times of difficult decisions. I'm sure Michelle advises Barack. Nancy Reagan was highly influential on Ronnie, especially in the latter days of his presidency.

    And probably the most noteworthy of all first ladies was Hillary herself. She did not fill the traditional role. I would guess she was highly influential in some of Bill's decisions. Please don't make it a "man vs woman" issue.

    Chet -- Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have moved on from their short spat on "who is qualified". Maybe it's time you moved on as well. Your obsession with finding fault with "everything Clinton" is getting old. Life is too short to be lost in the quagmire of hating one individual. Look at what the Republican "hate Obama" policies have brought them. Nothing but grief now in the 2016 election after wallowing in hate for over seven years. You are better than that.
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    Schmidt Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    This ties Hillary into welfare reform and deregulation Wall Street: "I would guess she was highly influential in some of Bill's decisions. Please don't make it a "man vs woman" issue."
    Schmidt Wrote:

    Hillary Clinton is highly capable. She will be making her own decisions. But certainly the spouses of every president have provided wise counsel to their "other halves" in times of difficult decisions. I'm sure Michelle advises Barack. Nancy Reagan was highly influential on Ronnie, especially in the latter days of his presidency.

    And probably the most noteworthy of all first ladies was Hillary herself. She did not fill the traditional role. I would guess she was highly influential in some of Bill's decisions. Please don't make it a "man vs woman" issue.

    Chet -- Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have moved on from their short spat on "who is qualified". Maybe it's time you moved on as well. Your obsession with finding fault with "everything Clinton" is getting old. Life is too short to be lost in the quagmire of hating one individual. Look at what the Republican "hate Obama" policies have brought them. Nothing but grief now in the 2016 election after wallowing in hate for over seven years. You are better than that.
    Schmidt, Lets get serious for a bit. Nobody that supports Bernie has anything to gain. As a matter of fact we have a lot to lose, especially if you are in business in a heavily right wing location. You have been all over the board in your defense of Hillary criticising Bernie. First he is unelectable, then pie in the sky, violating process and now I hate Hillary. You need to explain why Bernie scared you. I have a logical reason why Bernie scares you but I will not be presumptuous like you inferring my agenda is venting hate for Hillary. I have given you credit for being thoughtful but now that comes under scrutiny. Look at my picture. I am giving a speech in Cleveland, Ohio 40 years ago as an elected UMWA officer in support of the Teamster strike. My whole life has been in support of the abused at the hands of the empowered. Characterising me as menial is shortsighted and narrow minded in a discussion forum. On the other hand I ask you why are you rationalising 30 years of lower class abuse denying Bernie in support of Hillary? "That" is the problem.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    This ties Hillary into welfare reform and deregulation Wall Street: "I would guess she was highly influential in some of Bill's decisions. Please don't make it a "man vs woman" issue."
    Schmidt Wrote:

    Hillary Clinton is highly capable. She will be making her own decisions. But certainly the spouses of every president have provided wise counsel to their "other halves" in times of difficult decisions. I'm sure Michelle advises Barack. Nancy Reagan was highly influential on Ronnie, especially in the latter days of his presidency.

    And probably the most noteworthy of all first ladies was Hillary herself. She did not fill the traditional role. I would guess she was highly influential in some of Bill's decisions. Please don't make it a "man vs woman" issue.

    Chet -- Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have moved on from their short spat on "who is qualified". Maybe it's time you moved on as well. Your obsession with finding fault with "everything Clinton" is getting old. Life is too short to be lost in the quagmire of hating one individual. Look at what the Republican "hate Obama" policies have brought them. Nothing but grief now in the 2016 election after wallowing in hate for over seven years. You are better than that.
    Schmidt, Lets get serious for a bit. Nobody that supports Bernie has anything to gain. As a matter of fact we have a lot to lose, especially if you are in business in a heavily right wing location. You have been all over the board in your defense of Hillary criticising Bernie. First he is unelectable, then pie in the sky, violating process and now I hate Hillary. You need to explain why Bernie scared you. I have a logical reason why Bernie scares you but I will not be presumptuous like you inferring my agenda is venting hate for Hillary. I have given you credit for being thoughtful but now that comes under scrutiny. Look at my picture. I am giving a speech in Cleveland, Ohio 40 years ago as an elected UMWA officer in support of the Teamster strike. My whole life has been in support of the abused at the hands of the empowered. Characterising me as menial is shortsighted and narrow minded in a discussion forum. On the other hand I ask you why are you rationalising 30 years of lower class abuse denying Bernie in support of Hillary? "That" is the problem.
    I guess the problem I see is the "Bill" influence; in the last years they learned on how to make more money; my worry is that they will continue on that path. Once you "taste" money then your thinking gets screwed up ; it is a drug.
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    College became a self serving business. Government guaranteed student loans led colleges into expansion and enrollment more than tuning programs to educate students to self sufficiency. Whose fault is it graduating kids with loans they can't repay.
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    Chet, that's spot on. Government is a price-setter. When it loans money to those who inevitably agree to the prices paid, it's effectively validating that price. Price of college is clearly not set in markets, but administered by colleges with market power, as student borrowers have very little power or ability to negotiate those prices. So government is lending to a 'captured' or 'hostage' borrower and validating the 'ransom' they have agreed to pay. Colleges faced with consumers with inelastic demand and unlimited funding are thus free to jack up prices. From what I can see at the University of Texas at Dallas, which has never not been under massive construction since I've been here as an undergrad and am now a master's student, colleges appear to be investing their surplus in infrastructure to attract more foreign students paying the international tuition rates, which fills the coffers of universities with even more funding.

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    Carlitos Wrote:

    Chet, that's spot on. Government is a price-setter. When it loans money to those who inevitably agree to the prices paid, it's effectively validating that price. Price of college is clearly not set in markets, but administered by colleges with market power, as student borrowers have very little power or ability to negotiate those prices. So government is lending to a 'captured' or 'hostage' borrower and validating the 'ransom' they have agreed to pay. Colleges faced with consumers with inelastic demand and unlimited funding are thus free to jack up prices. From what I can see at the University of Texas at Dallas, which has never not been under massive construction since I've been here as an undergrad and am now a master's student, colleges appear to be investing their surplus in infrastructure to attract more foreign students paying the international tuition rates, which fills the coffers of universities with even more funding.

    In all seriousness I think there is a case for a Trump University type lawsuit by a majority of college students against colleges. Colleges have passively aggressively accepted the axiom of no fault college education. Just very recently college is coming under scrutiny of not responding to relative education. Certain offered degrees are laughable and it is time for a reckoning. Colleges can no longer have a free ride of amnesty for not providing jobs resulting programs. Accept the responsibility of graduating students into a lifetime of debt. 1.2 trillion dollars in college debt points to complicity not education.
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    It's not the colleges fault exactly that the government doesn't adjust fiscal policy to support full employment.

    But maybe they can be blamed for the education of the large collection of idiots running the country?

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    Caught with her pantsuit down? Decide for yourself!

    alternet.org/election-2016/hillarys-per...

    truth-out.org/opinion/item/35570-what-w...

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    Caught with her pantsuit down? Decide for yourself.

    alternet.org/election-2016/hillarys-per...

    truth-out.org/opinion/item/35570-what-w...

    Fallacy of the lesser of two evils. We don't have it good and it will be worse under the GOP instead of Hillary. The reality is that only some of us have it good. Voting for Hillary is protecting the "have it good" population. The poor can't have it any worse. All the poor programs only help in the tiniest way for somebody to claim credit for their resume. But voting for Hillary is not protecting the status of the stable segment that has it good. Hillary is another correction that cuts away what people have worked and saved for. But guess what. It has been whittled away a little at a time starting by the attacks on Roosevelt's New Deal as each one was legislated. Truth or fiction there is the story about Poncho Villas' method. It is said that in order to win support from a village he would let the Federales kill a few villagers and then swoop in to save the village. Would this be the time to invite the GOP in to do their worst and then have a real reason for change or is it status quo to watch the ranks of abject poverty grow?
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    Caught with her pantsuit down? Decide for yourself.

    alternet.org/election-2016/hillarys-per...

    truth-out.org/opinion/item/35570-what-w...

    If the first page doesn't load the Hillary student loan story use search function on that page and enter "Hillary Student Loans". When Bill and Hillary were in college you could earn enough money from a summer job to pay tuition at a state school. College costs were not a factor anyplace requiring student loans. As a matter of fact the term "student loan" was unheard of.
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    Here is the corrected link - sorry

    alternet.org/election-2016/hillarys-per...

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    pr Wrote:

    Here is the corrected link - sorry

    alternet.org/election-2016/hillarys-per...

    Talking about stretching the truth digressing with Quayle and Bush claiming no preferential treatment in getting in the National Guard during Viet Nam era. You could pick multiple winning lottery numbers easier than getting into the National Guard if there was a lottery.
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    Just a flipin' and a flopin' with the Hill

    salon.com/2016/04/11/this_is_why_people...