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What Trump's changing views on abortion reveal

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    By now everyone has seen Chris Matthews clip of him getting Trump to say that women should be punished for having an abortion. Trump later qualified it and back tracked and then qualified his position again...and again. It's was an awkward moment for Trump being put on the spot about the uncomfortable truth about the Republican stand on abortion. While they all want to make it illegal and do away with Roe versus Wade, they do not like to talk about what the punishment phase would entail if indeed Roe versus Wade was overturned. George Stephanopoulos's interview with John Kasich is revealing (compliments of Media Matters). It requires no comment from me:

    GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (HOST): I spoke to John Kasich from Wisconsin Saturday afternoon, and we began with the topic Donald Trump put front and center this week, abortion.

    JOHN KASICH: Well George, I hope they do repeal Roe v. Wade and then, you know, it will be up to the states to decide how they want to proceed. It'll be up to them to figure out what they want to do and that's precisely what we would do.

    STEPHANOPOULOS: But you said there are legitimate and constitutional restrictions that could be put on abortion. What are they?

    KASICH: Well, George, you know, when you say constitutional restrictions or whatever --

    STEPHANOPOULOS: Those are your words.

    KASICH: The only thing I would tell you is I've been -- yeah, well I don't know when I said it or why I said that in particular, probably out of context but, look, I mean, I am opposed to abortion except in the case of rape, incest, and life of the mother. I hope Roe v. Wade will be repealed, and then it will be turned to the states and the states will have to figure out exactly what the restrictions ought to be, period, end of story.

    STEPHANOPOULOS: So but if you believe that abortion is taking of an innocent life, how would you enforce a ban on that activity?

    KASICH: Well, that will be up to the states to figure out what they want to do. And, you know, obviously when we have seen these comments that have come out earlier this week, it's the first time I've seen the pro-life and the pro-choice people come together to say, you know, that we'll have to basically work this out and trying to punish a woman would not be the appropriate way to behave. And I think it's going to take people in a reasonable way working through it.

    STEPHANOPOULOS: But why isn't it appropriate? If you believe that abortion is the taking of innocent life, why shouldn't a woman who makes the choice to take that life face some kind of punishment or sanction?

    KASICH: Because I think it's difficult on her to begin with. That's the way I feel about it, George, and that's the end of it.

    STEPHANOPOULOS: Even if it follows that it is a woman is there making the choice to take a life?

    KASICH: Look, I've said what I have to say about the subject, George. You know how I have behaved both as a legislator and as a governor, and I would like to have those exceptions. I would like to leave it to those exceptions and it'll be up to the states to decide how they want to handle this.

    STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you believe doctors who perform abortions should be punished?

    KASICH: We're going to leave this up to the states to work this out the way they want to, George.

    STEPHANOPOULOS: So you're not going to take any position on doctors facing punishment?

    KASICH: Right now this, let me just put it to you this way I'm not, today I'm not. I've just told you how I feel about it.

    STEPHANOPOULOS: So, if you're still governor of Ohio, what would you seek to do?

    KASICH: Work with the legislature to figure out what there's a good consensus to do. In Ohio we have made sure that we have transfer agreements. These are things that we've done and I've been very careful about making sure that we don't pass something that is going to cause a constitutional conflict, which is I think what you were referring to, so that the restrictions that we've put in place are going to be fine. And I think we've behaved there and conducted ourselves appropriately

  • Independent
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    Schmidt, please read what I said about this. Sorry this country is still in the "middle ages"!!
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch -- Yeah I did read what you said. I don't always comment because it would get kind of repetitive, as we all kind of make the same points on this website again and again, but with a different twist. I thought that the John Kasich interview was worthy of posting in it's entirety as it was typical of the way Republicans don't like to talk about the uncomfortable truth.

    Sometimes their verbatim words disclose much more than either you or I can by paraphrasing or ranting. It's kind of like Sarah Palin interviews. By just posting her words, nothing more needs to be said to amplify the discussion. I just have a good chuckle...but I guess that's elitist talk.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Beyond comprehension how a bystander can pass judgement on a woman who has been through a heart wrenching conflicting emotionally destroying decision and add to the burden saying a woman should be punished for an agonizing decision. Trump has claimed the position of Oracle by setting himself aside from other billionaires. Claiming no allegiance to donors that says his views and actions are correct.
  • Liberal
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    What makes anyone believe Trump cares about any of this? He doesn't! Unless his name is on it it means nothing at all to him. He will say anything to get attention, he has no real opinions on anything but how to make himself the center of the discussion.
  • Independent
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    pr Wrote: What makes anyone believe Trump cares about any of this? He doesn't! Unless his name is on it it means nothing at all to him. He will say anything to get attention, he has no real opinions on anything but how to make himself the center of the discussion.

    P.R/Schmidt; we discussed that in the past many times; I agree with you both; thanks Schmidt for the explanation. My simple approach is: people own their own bodies; no government or church should have any say about it. If abortion is no longer allowed people will go to Cuba or Canada to have it done; so are we then suing the Cubans and Canadians?

    I guess there are many more important things the government should take care off ; not "bathrooms" and who can use it, or women who get abortions; lets stop our wars and take care of present veterans and don't create many more of them; as well take care of the poor for instance.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch -- Yes you are right, but culture wars divert the discussions from economic issues and foreign policy. The more you make it about culture wars and religion, then you never have to discuss real issues. And the mainstream media is absolutely that worst in promoting culture wars in elections. The closer the races, the more TV ads and the more money for them.

    Those are the issues that arise passions and that people can relate to. They don't understand the nuances of the various tax plans of the candidates...just sound bites. If it was a debate about tax and spending plans it would get boring in a hurry. The media cannot go there in a big way, or they'll lose their viewing audiences. Much better to feature Trump and whatever he chooses to make front page news for the day. That's a cynical view, but thus far looking at the coverage on MSNBC, it makes sense to me.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Dutch -- Yes you are right, but culture wars divert the discussions from economic issues and foreign policy. The more you make it about culture wars and religion, then you never have to discuss real issues. And the mainstream media is absolutely that worst in promoting culture wars in elections. The closer the races, the more TV ads and the more money for them.

    Those are the issues that arise passions and that people can relate to. They don't understand the nuances of the various tax plans of the candidates...just sound bites. If it was a debate about tax and spending plans it would get boring in a hurry. The media cannot go there in a big way, or they'll lose their viewing audiences. Much better to feature Trump and whatever he chooses to make front page news for the day. That's a cynical view, but thus far looking at the coverage on MSNBC, it makes sense to me.

    Schmidt, sure you've got it right again. But why in this country? I never noticed such overseas; the subjects there are indeed as you say policies to run the country. ( Of course in the Netherlands "foreign policies" don't count that much as here, because we want to be "police man" for the world).