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Democratic Platform when FDR ran.

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    An excerpt from 1932 Democratic Party Platform:

    We advocate an immediate and drastic reduction of governmental expenditures by abolishing useless commissions and offices, consolidating departments and bureaus, and eliminating extravagance to accomplish a saving of not less than twenty-five per cent in the cost of the Federal Government. And we call upon the Democratic Party in the states to make a zealous effort to achieve a proportionate result.

    I listened to some of FDR's speeches and that is not what FDR proposed. Bernie is running the campaign necessary. Many of today's problems are similar to 1932.

  • Liberal
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    Very interesting Chet! It just goes to show the platform and the candidate are separate entity's and don't always have the same values or goals. I would say this is painfully obvious in the Republican Party today and showing the ugly side of both parties.
  • Center Left Democrat
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    Chet:

    FDR actually was fiscally conservative, but finally came to see the light as a result of advice from one of his trusted advisors. He retrenched a bit in 1937, but the depression of that year caused him to become less conservative again. A good read on the topic is "Nothing to Fear", by Adam Cohen.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    My position id that any spent money is useful and the only useless money is stagnant money. The only useless argument is the exception determines the rule. FDR knew money had to be spent. He knew that money had to move. It is ultimate idiocy to fight over money when the money supply has been artificially stagnated. Foreign trade should be governed by domestic policies that encourage spending. Then countries wouldn't be competing for limited money. They then would be exchanging products they are expert in for for products other countries have facility with. World poverty only exists be cause money is the object not trade. There are no companies or products that succeed from austere budgets or unrelated mandated budget cuts. Same goes for a country. Cutting programs and spending is not proactive. It is reactionary to protect personal wealth. Austerity programs for troubled countries further stagnate money. Responsibility in credit lies with the creditor. Don't do it if you can't acknowledge the realization of risk that determined the loan. The denial of eventuality caused 2008. Is there one person in the universe that believed housing prices could continue to appreciate unrelated to the economy?

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    that guy in Arizona Wrote:

    Chet:

    FDR actually was fiscally conservative, but finally came to see the light as a result of advice from one of his trusted advisors. He retrenched a bit in 1937, but the depression of that year caused him to become less conservative again. A good read on the topic is "Nothing to Fear", by Adam Cohen.

    that guy in Arizona, My experience is that everybody successful is fiscally conservative. There has to be a guiding force to manage the wealth so people are not forced to guard it but actually watch it grow. That should be the job of politicians and government. They first of all should instill a sense of national pride. Make people want to travel safely on good roads looking at beautiful scenery maintained for our pleasure, not punishment. A well regulated booming economy helps everybody. Enjoy not because of restricted privilege but from the combined efforts of an active economy.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Incrementalism is a rationalization of conservatism forced by the continued destruction of the economy to take profits instead of production. Fear of moving ahead because money is and has been limited. Bernie wants to tax the bad part of Wall Street to pay for college. I think he will severely tax it to start an industrial regrowth. Cigarettes are taxed severely to benefit health. Derivatives should be taxed severely to benefit the economy. Nobody will lose money. Just make it differently.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Yes, FDR was a Deficit Terrorist in the 1928 campaign and ran against Hoover's deficits and new spending.

    With the bleeding out continuing on his watch as President, and much of the country on the verge of revolution, he would reverse himself.

    FDR would subsequently close the domestic gold window and institute the FDIC.

    In short, FDR created the modern monetary system.

    Then in 1937, the Deficit Terrorist came back out, probably for political reasons, and they stepped on the fiscal breaks leading to the double-dip.

    The problem then as now is some folks want to apply gold-standard thinking to a fiat currency system. That's like trying to program a DVD player with a VCR manual.

    The politics about government deficits hasn't changed much in 80 years. Both parties and most people are very confused about how the currency works. The result is a complete economic and political disaster.

  • Independent
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    Carlitos Wrote:

    Yes, FDR was a Deficit Terrorist in the 1928 campaign and ran against Hoover's deficits and new spending.

    With the bleeding out continuing on his watch as President, and much of the country on the verge of revolution, he would reverse himself.

    FDR would subsequently close the domestic gold window and institute the FDIC.

    In short, FDR created the modern monetary system.

    Then in 1937, the Deficit Terrorist came back out, probably for political reasons, and they stepped on the fiscal breaks leading to the double-dip.

    The problem then as now is some folks want to apply gold-standard thinking to a fiat currency system. That's like trying to program a DVD player with a VCR manual.

    The politics about government deficits hasn't changed much in 80 years. Both parties and most people are very confused about how the currency works. The result is a complete economic and political disaster.

    A new deficit terrorist is running for President; Trump promises he will clean that up in 8 years. Sure.Crying
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    pr Wrote: Very interesting Chet! It just goes to show the platform and the candidate are separate entity's and don't always have the same values or goals. I would say this is painfully obvious in the Republican Party today and showing the ugly side of both parties.
    What pr? You didn't even him ask him about the details. You've reached a conclusion without any evidence.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    I listened to some of FDR's speeches and that is not what FDR proposed. Bernie is running the campaign necessary. Many of today's problems are similar to 1932.

    Please at least provide links to support your claims. Sheesh...what are we doing here, watching cartoons?
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Mcsweet, Here is the link showing Roosevevlt ran contrary to the Democratic Party Platform, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_DealPlatfor...
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    I listened to some of FDR's speeches and that is not what FDR proposed. Bernie is running the campaign necessary. Many of today's problems are similar to 1932.

    Please at least provide links to support your claims. Sheesh...what are we doing here, watching cartoons?
    What do you mean by "watching cartoons" ? My hand writing is barely legible let alone crediting me with drawing animations. In the least what I propose is axiomatic license regarding the New Deal. I thought everybody had heard his challenging campaign speeches. His challenging ridicule of the Republicans is amusing while he is proposing government programs and spending directly counter to the Party Platform advocating cutting government and government spending. I'll get my favorite FDR speech and post it.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Mcsweet, Here are a link and an excerpt to Trump differing from the RNC.
    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/us/politics/for-republicans-mounting-fears-of-lasting-split.html?referer=&_r=0he Republican
    Republican Party is facing a historic split over its fundamental principles and identity, w the platform and the candidate are separate entity's and don't always have the same values or goals. I would say this is painfully obvious in the Republican Party today and showing the ugly side of both parties.
    What pr? You didn't even him ask him about the details. You've reached a conclusion without any evidence.
    P.S. I am on a project sight using my Samsung Phone and it or the program won't paste where the cursor indicates.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Mcsweet, Will look for speech advocating "New Deal" tonight. But here is more on the "New Deal" that was counter to thr party platform of cutting spending and government.

    usnews.com/news/articles/2008/01/17/the...

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    Thanks guys - I was being a bit annoying I realize. lol