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What is a Democrat in 2016?

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    The paradox is that socialism is the only path for a society to survive. The Republican way of winner take all is not a society. But the Republicans have won the public relations battle making socialism the end of success. They have villanized the saving answer. There is a candidate in the spirit of an FDR Democrat in Bernie, not only a 2016 Democrat but the only Democrat.
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    Here is a very interesting profile of white so called Democrats and why they have become Republicans!

    salon.com/2016/04/04/the_democratic_par...

    And a little blurb about honest Hill's latest attempt to fool the voters.

    tominpaine.blogspot.com/2016/03/hillary...

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    Mcsweet Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote:

    pr -- I would disagree with you. Bernie is a DINO. He has never been a member of the Democratic Party until April of 2015. He is running for president on his own platform, and not the Democratic Party platform. After the election (if he doesn't win) he'll go back to being an independent from Vermont.

    The Democratic Party Platform is updated every four years. It's in the process of being updated now as members have put forth resolutions at the local level in caucuses and other party venues. These are consolidated at the state level into State Party Platforms, and the state party platforms are then consolidated into the national Democratic Party Platform. The 2012 Democratic Party Platform is the latest available. You can read it at the link.

    Thanks for posting the Platform link -- which I'll read, but I think you're missing the point of my question. Have you always been a Democrat? What was it about the Democratic party that earned your allegiance and when was that?

    Mcsweet -- Like Hillary Clinton in her youth identified as a Goldwater Republican, I was a Democrat because my parents were Democrats. My Dad was a miner and union activist in Butte, Montana. At 12 years old I was kicked out of bars for distributing union literature for my Dad. He felt that the local Mine Mill union had become corrupt and therefore wanted them replaced with the Steelworkers union. Times were good and pay was good while he was working. But during the frequent strikes not so good. During some of those very long strikes, my parents had to ask for handouts from the welfare agency...powdered milk and powdered eggs because we couldn't afford even those basic essentials. I still remember to this day the taste of the powdered milk. It had a distinct taste and wouldn't mix well with water. We never owned a blender.

    Anyway, we were a family of seven living in a very small two bedroom house up an alley way. My brother and I shared a mattress that my Mom rolled out on the floor at night. My parents were extremely frugal with what little money they had saved, but was always wiped out with the next strike. So I have been a life long union supporter, but as I learned early in life that unions can also have corrupt leadership and not act in the best interest of the workers. And at times if I appear to be critical of unions on this website, I feel like I have earned that right.

    Despite all those difficulties financially, all of my siblings and I were able to work our ways through college while also borrowing the rest. Upon graduation, I worked for a major oil company, and we lived an traveled all over the world. My first assignment was Libya at age 25. I loved the Libyan people...they were so welcoming to me and my wife. My son was born in Tripoli, Libya. Our next door neighbors were Palestinians displaced out of their homeland by the Israeli occupation. After living in Libya for three years we moved to London where we lived for nine years. Beyond that there were other foreign assignments of a temporary or semi-permanent nature...Brazil and Venezuela included. In all those overseas assignments, I never voted (too difficult to register) and didn't identify with either party. I was an independent, but my early life's experiences were always a part of me as I got to see first hand what real poverty looked like in the shanty towns on the outskirts of major cities.

    I cherish those cultural experiences and in all my travels and foreign assignments, the people treated my wife and me wonderfully. We were invited into their homes, some of which were very humble. We adapted to the circumstances, and I feel we learned so much from them...especially their cultures and their religions.

    Now in my retirement, I can look back at all those experiences and see how they have molded my worldviews. I guess you could call me one of those "Democratic elitists" that Tom Frank criticizes in his new book because I do fall back on those experiences in writing my various posts. I have very liberal social views, but otherwise on economic, wars and trade my views are more mixed depending on the circumstances. Part of my training and assignments in working for a company was to participate in technical audits of major projects. We were trained to question everything about the project without bias and assign a risk profile after running numerous computer simulations.

    That's why I am just not ready to accept the populist and often emotionally driven view on issues. And that's why I support and appreciate President Obama, who I consider one of our best presidents ever. He thinks long term and has a global perspective. Hillary Clinton does not have the same charisma as Obama, but as I remove the personality or likeability of the candidate, and look only where she stands on the issues and the reality of being able to accomplish her goals, then yes she does align closely with Obama. I should also say that I haven't always been in agreement with Obama on several issues, nor am I am in agreement with Clinton on every issue, but they are a thousand times better than any of the Presidential candidates and VP candidates that the Republicans have nominated in the last several elections.

    Sorry, this is rather long winded. I know my worldviews are largely out of step with many on this website (Jared is the exception), but I'll continue to post them, expecting them to be shot down by others whose worldviews and life's experiences are different from mine. That's okay with me. I have thick skin.

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    Schmidt, nice story. Mine is bit more elaborate related to my work all over the world. I also started work in the "oil"; Shell Canada, when I was about 22 as an geophysical assistant. Moved back to the Netherlands and started my career in aviation. Related to Jared, sorry to say he is young and still has to learn a lot about the world around him. In most cases I agree with you and your writings; of course we clash once in a while,but that is healthy. My objections related to the whole "set up" of governing in this country is the un-democratic way it is done. Of course the biggest problem here is the non-updated Constitution as well the corrupt way to manipulate it by bunches of lawyers to make it fit our present society. Nothing is straightforward in this country. Look at the elections; drag in delegates and the kitchen sink etc. to make it as convoluted as possible. Nothing is done an honest way. Like "hanging chats" in FL. Simple straight forward understandable laws are never possible here. For instance the toilet laws in N.C. Nuts!! Sorry this whole country is one big corrupt entity; just check the latest on he "Panama" thing, hiding billions of taxable money for all kinds of corporations.( Also Trump's?)

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    pr Wrote:

    It's one thing to have a platform and I do support most of the Democrats platform and I always vote for the Democrat over the Republican candidate because I'm a realist.

    Just because a candidate aligns with a parties platform (any party) doesn't make them a good candidate or citizen it only gives them some thing to say they believe in to further their own agenda. History always shows us who the good guys are vs the bad guys. The problem is everyone is too lazy to remember it. How many politicians, of any party, can you name that actually cared about anything other than getting reelected first, their pocketbook second and their constituents last? Not many! The Clinton's certainly don't stand out as examples. Does anyone here actually believe a Trump is a real Republican? I think Trum and Clinton both have no real values other than their own welfare and both would (and have) do or say anything to get ahead. Hillary is a kinder, more gentle, less obnoxious candidate than Trump but I believe they actually have much the same personal beliefs and goals in life. Bernie, on the other hand, is the most real, honest candidate to run for President in years. If anything Bernie is the one that actually represents the Democrats platform, not Hillary!

    I've said it again and again - today's Democrat is yesterday's moderate Republican. Moderate Republicans today are like hens teeth. Today's Republicans are the fascists, the biggots, the authoritarians. Today's Republicans or Democrats have no relationship to the parties of the past. They have simply hijacked the names and titles to suit their own purposes.

    P.R. well said, my feelings exactly; what's in a name anyway. Indeed these two (Drumpf & Hillary) are there only for themselves to pamper their large "ego's"
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    IChet Ruminski Wrote: pr, I emailed Edelman today and said the email was just to be able to contact a notable person that acted contrary to self interest to protest a wrong.
    I got another article confused with the one linked to on this thread. Edelman was the Clinton official that resigned under protest to the Clinton Welfare Reform.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: The paradox is that socialism is the only path for a society to survive. The Republican way of winner take all is not a society. But the Republicans have won the public relations battle making socialism the end of success. They have villanized the saving answer. There is a candidate in the spirit of an FDR Democrat in Bernie, not only a 2016 Democrat but the only Democrat.
    Agree -- this is a New Deal Democrat -- bump up to 2016. Note that the ppl who will tell you that the New Deal is history - have a vested interest in saying that. We all know that. As far as the Republicans owning the spin for the last 35 years -- they have done so, mostly on Reagan's coatails. But Reagan's long gone, and the last 30 years is coming back to bite them in their ass in the form of Donald Trump -- their nightmare.
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    Schmidt Wrote:
    Mcsweet -- Like Hillary Clinton in her youth identified as a Goldwater Republican, I was a Democrat because my parents were Democrats. My Dad was a miner and union activist in Butte, Montana. At 12 years old I was kicked out of bars for distributing union literature for my Dad. He felt that the local Mine Mill union had become corrupt and therefore wanted them replaced with the Steelworkers union. Times were good and pay was good while he was working. But during the frequent strikes not so good. During some of those very long strikes, my parents had to ask for handouts from the welfare agency...powdered milk and powdered eggs because we couldn't afford even those basic essentials. I still remember to this day the taste of the powdered milk. It had a distinct taste and wouldn't mix well with water. We never owned a blender.

    Schmidt thanks for the amazing story. What I'd take away from that is that your loyalty to the Democratic party, originated in Montana, in that time and place and the hardships you faced. Respect. So did mine -- I was maybe 11 years old when Martin Luther King and Robert F. Kennedy were shot down -- and that period of time is forever imprinted not only on my mind, but on my soul: because those were soul-stirring times. Who could ever forget RFK's last train ride through Appalachia, with poor white southerners standing along either side of the railroad tracks -- as far as the eye could see -- waving to the train. I haven't seen that type of faith in a leader since then, until Bernie showed up.


    I understand that party platforms and party structure is necessary for the functioning of a national organization -- afterall I'm not 18. That said, what many of us loved about the party (MLK, RFK, Eugene McCarthy, the list goes on) disappeared after the floundering of the party in the 80's and the demolition of the party in the 90s.
    I respect the work you do -- I just think you are doing it too cheap.

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    Agreed! And, that's why I don't understand how any liberal progressive thinking person could ever support Hillary. Vote for her if she is the candidate but support - never!
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    pr Wrote: Agreed! And, that's why I don't understand how any liberal progressive thinking person could ever support Hillary. Vote for her if she is the candidate but support - never!

    The same here; she's way too much an Washington insider and sits on a high horse; a typical "lawyer" type.

    If she is elected, then the same Washington "clan" will surround her as well the rich will get it their way.

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    Dutch Wrote:
    The same here; she's way too much an Washington insider and sits on a high horse; a typical "lawyer" type.

    If she is elected, then the same Washington "clan" will surround her as well the rich will get it their way.

    Eh, let's see what comes out of the Panama papers.