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    How would you define a Democrat in 2016?
  • Independent
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    Mcsweet Wrote: How would you define a Democrat in 2016?
    Good question; Democrats all over the world are different in their views; a democratic process is something that all different parties come together and work things out. Due to our non-culture, no one here knows what that word means. It is only used here to smooth over decisions. This word does not include "corruption" or being "bought" or that "money" rules. So in other words, this country is absolutely not "democratic" . Just follow the elections, that will tell you enough.
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    A 60's Republican comes to mind. The only true Democrats left today are the Bernie supporters. Let's not forget who was a "Goldwater Gurl"!!!!!!!!!
  • Liberal Democrat
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    pr -- I would disagree with you. Bernie is a DINO. He has never been a member of the Democratic Party until April of 2015. He is running for president on his own platform, and not the Democratic Party platform. After the election (if he doesn't win) he'll go back to being an independent from Vermont.

    The Democratic Party Platform is updated every four years. It's in the process of being updated now as members have put forth resolutions at the local level in caucuses and other party venues. These are consolidated at the state level into State Party Platforms, and the state party platforms are then consolidated into the national Democratic Party Platform. The 2012 Democratic Party Platform is the latest available. You can read it at the link.

    It largely reflects what the people who elected President Obama stands for. If the Bernie supporters are true grass roots activists and participate in the party's processes, then we can expect to see a new Democratic Party Platform in 2016 largely reflective of the Bernie supporter's views.

    That's process. That's the way the Democratic Party process works...incremental changes reflecting the views of fellow Democrats...not dramatic revolutionary changes based on emotive populism, but rather concerted thoughtful changes.

    None of us necessarily endorse everything in the platform. On the other hand we don't apply purity tests to those of whom we disagree with.

  • Liberal
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    NO! I have to disagree it's just the opposite. Bernie is the true Democrat and Hillary and them of them are basically DINO's. Not very many of these establishment so called Democrats stand for much more than your typical Republican. They say the words that that the Democrats in the base want to hear but they don't do the deeds. They have all been shown up by Bernie for what they really are and it isn't pretty. They want to throw a few social bennies at the masses so as to look and feel "Liberal & Progressive" but in reality it's only say or do whatever is necessary to feathers their own nest. At least Bernie tells it as it is and it should be. Nothing Hillary and most of the so called establishment Democrats say can be taken as any more than political double-speak designed to keep their power and privilege.

    As much as I like Obama, for example, he is really nothing more than Republican lite when it comes to everything other than a few, and I mean a few, social issues. He actually puts Hillary to shame in this respect. Thirty or forty years ago Hillary would have been a classic so-called Republican Liberal, to day she just changed the table to Democrat Liberal but she still thinks, feels and act as a Republican. The sad thing is she is the best candidate with a shot of winning the Presidency we have today and that sure isn't saying much for the so called Democrats.

    Why do we have politicians (Democrats & Republicans) trying to push things like free trade down our throats without any knowledge of what it actually contains? The answer is very simple - if we knew what was in it we would all be up in arms and it would never get passed. What is the real reason doesn't this country have single payer health insurance for all? Why do they all push for more immoral and needless military actions? There is a reason these politicians try their best to hide things from the public and it sure isn't to make our lives any better it's because most of them are out to serve themselves first and foremost.

    Here is an interesting take on Hillary's political history. Like anything we have to take it with some built-in bias by the author but I find it mostly pretty sums up her political beliefs and history as proven by her political past and what we can really expect from her in the future.

    salon.com/2016/04/03/hillarys_atrocious...

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Pr -- So you disagree with that the Democratic Party should have a platform? The latest platform, I am proud to say, was a platform that I contributed to. Now we should just throw out that "consensus platform" and go with populist movement sound bites, whatever direction the political winds blow at the time...a living document forever changing at the whims of what the mainstream media is pushing as populism? Is that it? Perhaps we should instead let Salon rewrite it every few months.

    I, like Hillary Clinton, am a Democratic and 90 percent of what I believe is in that platform. Bernie Sanders might believe much of the stuff there as well, but for the most part, many of his proposals are not here. For example, the Democratic Party believes in trade and supports the TPP. The Democratic Party is not calling for the consolidation of all health care plans into a single payer system. Rather they are calling for improving the Affordable Care Act, strengthening Medicaid. There is much more. Have you read the platform? I think you'll support most of it.

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    Dutch Wrote:
    Mcsweet Wrote: How would you define a Democrat in 2016?
    Good question; Democrats all over the world are different in their views; a democratic process is something that all different parties come together and work things out. Due to our non-culture, no one here knows what that word means. It is only used here to smooth over decisions. This word does not include "corruption" or being "bought" or that "money" rules. So in other words, this country is absolutely not "democratic" . Just follow the elections, that will tell you enough.

    Hi Dutch - what I actually meant was how would we define an American "Democrat" in 2016. For instance once upon a time, we had an "FDR Democrat" or "New Deal Democrat", or a "Great Society Democrat" here in the U.S. In my opinion, this Identity is no longer there; or it's so comprised, impossible to clarify, and so fraught with loss of faith, that it causes problems for potential voters.

    Still your point's taken -- and in a way seems related to the question. Liberal democracies differ from here to there, but I think what's the same is the claim to legitimacy, accountability, and authority (rule of law). I think what you're saying is that many of us no longer believe those claims. So definitely related to my question. Thanks.

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    pr Wrote: A 60's Republican comes to mind. The only true Democrats left today are the Bernie supporters. Let's not forget who was a "Goldwater Gurl"!!!!!!!!!
    pr - I don't hold the Goldwater thing against her -- she was a kid and her parents were Republicans; odd though, at that time in history to find many Republicans in the suburbs of Chicago. I think Bernie seems to you like what he seems to me -- like Robert F. Kennedy, but more revolutionary (working-class from Brooklyn). We're talking about Democrats as we remember them.
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    pr -- I would disagree with you. Bernie is a DINO. He has never been a member of the Democratic Party until April of 2015. He is running for president on his own platform, and not the Democratic Party platform. After the election (if he doesn't win) he'll go back to being an independent from Vermont.

    The Democratic Party Platform is updated every four years. It's in the process of being updated now as members have put forth resolutions at the local level in caucuses and other party venues. These are consolidated at the state level into State Party Platforms, and the state party platforms are then consolidated into the national Democratic Party Platform. The 2012 Democratic Party Platform is the latest available. You can read it at the link.

    Thanks for posting the Platform link -- which I'll read, but I think you're missing the point of my question. Have you always been a Democrat? What was it about the Democratic party that earned your allegiance and when was that?

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    NO! I have to disagree it's just the opposite. Bernie is the true Democrat and Hillary and them of them are basically DINO's. Not very many of these establishment so called Democrats stand for much more than your typical Republican. They say the words that that the Democrats in the base want to hear but they don't do the deeds. They have all been shown up by Bernie for what they really are and it isn't pretty.

    pr I totally agree with you. I found a link to a book that just came out that actually addresses this thing which has been dogging all of us former Democrats. Haven't gotten the book yet, but check out this interview. This guy seems to be on the same page and he's written about it apparently in a well-researched way.
    billmoyers.com/story/author-thomas-fran.../
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Party of the working man? 16 years of Democratic Presidents out of the last 30 years: wages stagnated, income gap wide, income gap widening, fewer people owning more, all income increases going to the top 1%. To be a Democrat in 2016 requires going back to 1994 and disavowing/everything. Taking back everything Bill Clinton did would be a Democratic Party of the WorkingPerson. For starters that would be a 2016 Democrat.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    pr, I emailed Edelman today and said the email was just to be able to contact a notable person that acted contrary to self interest to protest a wrong.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Party of the working man? 16 years of Democratic Presidents out of the last 30 years: wages stagnated, income gap wide, income gap widening, fewer people owning more, all income increases going to the top 1%. To be a Democrat in 2016 requires going back to 1994 and disavowing/everything. Taking back everything Bill Clinton did would be a Democratic Party of the WorkingPerson. For starters that would be a 2016 Democrat.
    Guess you missed my main point.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Sorry, I took it to mean what would a 2016 Democrat be on terms of a real Democrat. I rread your link and emailed Edelman, thought it was pr's link.

  • Liberal
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    It's one thing to have a platform and I do support most of the Democrats platform and I always vote for the Democrat over the Republican candidate because I'm a realist.

    Just because a candidate aligns with a parties platform (any party) doesn't make them a good candidate or citizen it only gives them some thing to say they believe in to further their own agenda. History always shows us who the good guys are vs the bad guys. The problem is everyone is too lazy to remember it. How many politicians, of any party, can you name that actually cared about anything other than getting reelected first, their pocketbook second and their constituents last? Not many! The Clinton's certainly don't stand out as examples. Does anyone here actually believe a Trump is a real Republican? I think Trum and Clinton both have no real values other than their own welfare and both would (and have) do or say anything to get ahead. Hillary is a kinder, more gentle, less obnoxious candidate than Trump but I believe they actually have much the same personal beliefs and goals in life. Bernie, on the other hand, is the most real, honest candidate to run for President in years. If anything Bernie is the one that actually represents the Democrats platform, not Hillary!

    I've said it again and again - today's Democrat is yesterday's moderate Republican. Moderate Republicans today are like hens teeth. Today's Republicans are the fascists, the biggots, the authoritarians. Today's Republicans or Democrats have no relationship to the parties of the past. They have simply hijacked the names and titles to suit their own purposes.